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    Re: Fla. Deputies Shoot and Kill Man After Knocking On Wrong Door. ‎

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Yes, likely you shouldn't open a door while pointing the gun at anyone. Though just having the gun in hand is not that.

    I guess the real moral of this story is to not open the door and just shoot through it, just in case cops are on the other side looking to gun your ass down.
    You could just not point your gun at cops. The result will always be the same if you do. And rightfully so.
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    Re: Fla. Deputies Shoot and Kill Man After Knocking On Wrong Door. ‎

    Unless some now evidence pops up or some clever lawyer asks a few loaded questions then no crime was committed here. Well. There is no trail I mean to say. That's a given. With the proof at hand there is no crime. But that isn't to say the police shouldn't be fired. The guy never fired a shot. That alone is enough to prove he was never a true threat. Even if the cops thought so. They put themselves into that situation in that exact way with circumstantial evidence and have/had shoddy foresight. If they aren't fired they need to be immediately. JUST BASED ON THE FACT the victim never fired a shot, hence everything about the cops instincts for THIS job was wrong.

    The victim pointing a gun directly at police is speculation. The cops put themselves directly into this situation. The victim reacted. Its been proven that the victim was purely defensive and never an actual threat by the fact that the cops were never shot at. The man didnt seek out the cops and then this happened. There were banging on some door with weapons drawn (pointing guns at the victim) just because some criminal ditched a bike. At 1 in the morning....

    Cops had death dealing ready. Pounding on door. Think about what that might look like to a homeowner with a gun.

    *BANG BANG BANG*

    What the ****?

    BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG*

    Holy crap.. Someone is WAILING on my door.

    You grab your piece and run to the door and slowly peek up to and out of the peep hole. You don't see two men. You don't see 2 gangsters. You don't see 2 cops. Just 2 guns at the ready pointing inward to the center of your peep hole. From the angle it cant be a guy hiding below the peephole pointing 2 guns into view like a jackass. There must be 2 men hugging either side of the door ready for your ass. You could try running out the back door. What if there is another waiting? Could wait in a dark corner under cover here... Wait for them to bust in. What if they were hardcore and had rapid fire pistols? Could open the door and maybe get off a few pop shots in time. They cant be cops right?? Cops announce themselves before they do this ****. ****.. What do?
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    Re: Fla. Deputies Shoot and Kill Man After Knocking On Wrong Door. ‎

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I need evidence. What we have is government force applied against the most fundamental of rights. The government is not assumed innocent, the government must PROVE it acted properly. If they cannot offer up the evidence, then actions must be taken against them.
    So if a person attempts to murder a cop, and noone is there to see if the cops should accept death or prison? Should they ask the guy to write a statement admitting his intent, or should they ask him to hold on till witnesses arrive? Please tell me what a group of cops should do when they are about to murdered without other witnesses.
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    Re: Fla. Deputies Shoot and Kill Man After Knocking On Wrong Door. ‎

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    Evidence? or is all y ou need is a hatred of cops?
    Link? to his hatred of cops?
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    Re: Fla. Deputies Shoot and Kill Man After Knocking On Wrong Door. ‎

    Quote Originally Posted by muciti View Post
    You could just not point your gun at cops. The result will always be the same if you do. And rightfully so.
    Are you trying to say that if you don't point your gun at the cops, you still get shot and rightfully so? Cause that's what your sentence here says.
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    Re: Fla. Deputies Shoot and Kill Man After Knocking On Wrong Door. ‎

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris View Post
    Unless some now evidence pops up or some clever lawyer asks a few loaded questions then no crime was committed here. Well. There is no trail I mean to say. That's a given. With the proof at hand there is no crime. But that isn't to say the police shouldn't be fired. The guy never fired a shot. That alone is enough to save he was never a true threat. Even if the cops thought so. They put themselves into that situation in that exact way with circumstantial evidence and have shoddy foresight. If they aren't fired they need to be immediately. JUST BASED ON THE FACT the victim never fired a shot, hence everything about the cops instincts for THIS job was wrong.

    The victim pointing a gun directly at police is speculation. The cops put themselves directly into this situation. The victim reacted. Its been proven that the victim was purely defensive and never an actual threat by the fact that the cops were never shot at. The man didnt seek out the cops and then this happened. There were banging on some door with weapons drawn (pointing guns at the victim) just because some some criminal ditched a bike. At 1 in the morning....

    Cops had death dealing ready. Pounding on door. Think about what that might look like to a homeowner with a gun.

    *BANG BANG BANG*

    What the ****?

    BANG BANG BANG BANG BANG*

    Holy crap.. Someone is WAILING on my door.

    You grab your piece and run to the door and slowly peek up to and out of the peep hole. You don't see two men. You don't see 2 gangsters. You don't see 2 cops. Just 2 guns at the ready pointing inward to the center of your peep hole. From the angle it cant be a guy hiding below the peephole pointing 2 guns into view like a jackass. There must be 2 men hugging either side of the door ready for your ass. You could try running out the back door. What if there is another waiting? Could wait in a dark corner under cover here... Wait for them to bust in. What if they were hardcore and had rapid fire pistols? Could open the door and maybe get off a few pop shots in time. They cant be cops right?? Cops announce themselves before they do this ****. ****.. What do?
    no just because he never fired is NOT reason enough to fire cops and say he wasnt a threat LMAO

    it actually means nothing, many of perps have been shot before they got the chance, you cant wait for shots fired LOL

    its not speculation that he pointed the gun, it COULD be a lie but its not speculation
    It has NOT been proven he wasnt a threat by any means LMAO

    you also claim they were pointing their guns first, they MIGHT have been which they can but thats not in either article.

    your "dramatic" reenactment is nothing but fantasy since you werent there

    the point is unless you try to invent things, the cops arent at fault for anything yet

    maybe something will come out to change that, but currently they arent at fault for anything
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    Re: Fla. Deputies Shoot and Kill Man After Knocking On Wrong Door. ‎

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Are you trying to say that if you don't point your gun at the cops, you still get shot and rightfully so? Cause that's what your sentence here says.
    let me know when you are back on topic. ill be here for a bit.
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    Re: Fla. Deputies Shoot and Kill Man After Knocking On Wrong Door. ‎

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Yes, likely you shouldn't open a door while pointing the gun at anyone. Though just having the gun in hand is not that.

    I guess the real moral of this story is to not open the door and just shoot through it, just in case cops are on the other side looking to gun your ass down.
    uhm the point is you called his actions reasonable, thats wrong, they were not per the story provided.

    Per the details we have he he pointed his gun
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    Re: Fla. Deputies Shoot and Kill Man After Knocking On Wrong Door. ‎

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective-J View Post
    thats what I think too

    and from the article he just didnt open the door with gun in hand but pointed it.
    It's the reason you keep the gun out of sight until you intend to shoot. Once you point it you've given the other guy permission to kill you whether it's the police or not. On the other hand, had he known it was the police I'm pretty sure he would not have picked a gun up. The police tend to come out on top in those kinds of encounters, and God help you if you actually manage to kill the policeman. There's a guy in prison in Florida who killed a policeman who stormed into his house, the wrong house, in a no-knock raid at night.

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    Re: Fla. Deputies Shoot and Kill Man After Knocking On Wrong Door. ‎

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective-J View Post
    uhm the point is you called his actions reasonable, thats wrong, they were not per the story provided.

    Per the details we have he he pointed his gun
    The most unbiased of sources at this time say he had a gun, not that he was pointing it. The cops who did the deed are claiming it was pointed at them and they'll need to demonstrate that.
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