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    Re: US Ship Fires on Boat off Dubai, 1 Dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    Your suppositions Vs a victim who was there....

    "We had no warning at all from the ship, we were speeding up to try and go around them and then suddenly we got fired at," 28-year-old Muthu Muniraj told Reuters from hospital, his legs punctured by the rounds of the U.S. craft's .50-caliber gun.
    "We know warning signs and sounds and there were none; it was very sudden. My friend was killed, he's gone. I don't understand what happened."


    Read more: Indian Fishers Say They Had No Warning Before The US Navy Fired On Them - Business Insider
    And if they were "testing the US" or just even doing something they knew they shouldn't have been doing, which they knew they shouldn't have been doing, why would they not lie and claim they weren't warned?

    Another report says that one of those fisherman admits to seeing some signals coming from the US ship but they didn't know what they were.
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    Re: US Ship Fires on Boat off Dubai, 1 Dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Mya View Post

    But sadly in this case, perhaps a little bit of "paternalistic government warning" would have saved a life?
    Hardly, at least one sailor confirms that the US ship communicated with them by lights. The fishermen could have responded. There is no governmental intervention that could have provided a quicker or more effective return communication from the fisherman's vessel.

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    Re: US Ship Fires on Boat off Dubai, 1 Dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Connery View Post
    On it's face it seems as if this was a legal maneuver by the US ship.

    "U.S. officials said the incident was under investigation by the Naval Criminal Investigative Service and Dubai police. But as details emerged, it appeared the fishing boat had been heading into port and had strayed too close to a Navy ship on high alert, rather than attempting an attack.

    The incident highlighted the rising tensions between the U.S. and Iran over the narrow strait, a choke point for much of the world's oil shipments from the Middle East. Navy vessels are on special alert for small craft, which Iran has used to shadow and sometimes harass ships in the gulf, and have permission to use lethal force to halt boats that draw too close."



    U.S. ship fires on fishing boat in Persian Gulf, killing 1 - latimes.com
    All I have to say is, "Remember the USS Cole". Can't blame my boys in Blue for firing off a few rounds from that .50 cal. on the Iranian fishing boat. Why take a chance and give potential terrorist a chance to duplicate that cowardly deed? I say if Iranian sailing vessels large and small don't heed the warning in English or Arabic to steer clear of U.S. warship operating in the Straits fo Hormuz or the Arabian Gulf, then they'd better prepare to eat lead!

    Sidenote: They better be glad the U.S. refueling ship didn't have a Sea Whiz mounted onboard. Otherwise, they would've made Swizz Cheese out of it.

    EDIT: Guess I should have read the article alittle more closely. Turns out it was an Indian fishing boat, not Iranian. Still, per the article the USNS Rappahannock issued a series of warnings to the fishing vessel to remain clear of the ship. I guess all small vessels had better check with the local Harbor Master before heading out into the Gulf. Having served in the Navy onbaord the USS New Orleans and USS America (both decommissioned), I know it can be extremely difficult for large ships to manuever in cluttered waterways especially when you have so many small fishing boats and private vessels (yatches) sailing around. Still, if you don't heed the warnings that include an assortment of communications methods, i.e., ship-to-ship radio, ship-to-shore communications, flashing light, flag signals, PA announcements and even a series of blasts from the ship's whistle, then those ships deserve what they get. Contrary to what you may hear about this incident, our boys in Blue in both our active duty Naval fleet, as well as our Merchant Marine and Coast Guard, all adhere to the same maritime protocals. It's really incumbant on the smallers ships to move out of the way of larger vessels.
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    Re: US Ship Fires on Boat off Dubai, 1 Dead

    Straight out...the U.S navy is extremely dangerous. If I decided to play with a Cobra, and got bit...I deserve to die.

    Again...Ignorant, stupid, or up to no good.

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    Re: US Ship Fires on Boat off Dubai, 1 Dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    All I have to say is, "Remember the USS Cole". Can't blame my boys in Blue for firing off a few rounds from that .50 cal. on the Iranian fishing boat. Why take a chance and give potential terrorist a chance to duplicate that cowardly deed? I say if Iranian sailing vessels large and small don't heed the warning in English or Arabic to steer clear of U.S. warship operating in the Straits fo Hormuz or the Arabian Gulf, then they'd better prepare to eat lead!

    Sidenote: They better be glad the U.S. refueling ship didn't have a Sea Whiz mounted onboard. Otherwise, they would've made Swizz Cheese out of it.

    EDIT: Guess I should have read the article alittle more closely. Turns out it was an Indian fishing boat, not Iranian. Still, per the article the USNS Rappahannock issued a series of warnings to the fishing vessel to remain clear of the ship. I guess all small vessels had better check with the local Harbor Master before heading out into the Gulf. Having served in the Navy onbaord the USS New Orleans and USS America (both decommissioned), I know it can be extremely difficult for large ships to manuever in cluttered waterways especially when you have so many small fishing boats and private vessels (yatches) sailing around. Still, if you don't heed the warnings that include an assortment of communications methods, i.e., ship-to-ship radio, ship-to-shore communications, flashing light, flag signals, PA announcements and even a series of blasts from the ship's whistle, then those ships deserve what they get. Contrary to what you may hear about this incident, our boys in Blue in both our active duty Naval fleet, as well as our Merchant Marine and Coast Guard, all adhere to the same maritime protocals. It's really incumbant on the smallers ships to move out of the way of larger vessels.
    I would have done the same what is your point?

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    Re: US Ship Fires on Boat off Dubai, 1 Dead

    Quote Originally Posted by tecoyah View Post
    Straight out...the U.S navy is extremely dangerous. If I decided to play with a Cobra, and got bit...I deserve to die.

    Again...Ignorant, stupid, or up to no good.

    And the fishermen?
    Don't work out, work in.

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    Re: US Ship Fires on Boat off Dubai, 1 Dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    And the fishermen?
    Were ignorant, stupid, or up to no good.
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    Re: US Ship Fires on Boat off Dubai, 1 Dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    And the fishermen?
    Were either ignorant, stupid, or up to no good.

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    Re: US Ship Fires on Boat off Dubai, 1 Dead

    Quote Originally Posted by RDS View Post
    Of course these "fishermen" said they received no warning. That region has a vested interest in getting us out of there.
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    Re: US Ship Fires on Boat off Dubai, 1 Dead

    Anyone navigating a boat of any size MUST understand internationally recognized signals, or they have no business operating a vessel in a crowded waterway.

    In fact, all marine navigational lights must comply with rigid international standards and be fixed by approved personnel. It is important to understand that international conventions cover all vessel’s everywhere in the world, from the smallest boat (which can carry a torch) to the largest oceangoing behemoth.
    [...]
    Amongst other things, the COLREGS lay out strict guidelines for which ship must alter her course or speed (the give way vessel) and which ship must maintain her course and speed (the stand on vessel), when a risk of collision exists. The determination of whether a vessel is a stand-on or give way vessel is dependant on her size, nature, angles as determined by her navigation lights and other factors as well as any special occupational characteristics (fishing, towing etc).

    A good knowledge of Navigational lights is thus essential for a mariner to sail safely through the oceans.
    Why marine navigation lights are of vital importance on ships

    (d) When vessels in sight of one another are approaching each other and from any cause either vessel fails to understand the intentions or actions of the other, or is in doubt whether sufficient action is being taken by the other to avoid collision, the vessel in doubt shall immediately indicate such doubt by giving at least five short and rapid blasts on the whistle. Such signal may be supplemented by a light signal of at least five short and rapid flashes.
    Rule 34 - Manoeuvring and warning signals - OTEN Maritime Studies - Maritime Training for GPH, Coxswain, Master, Deck Watchkeeper and Marine Engine Driver (MED) qualifications

    So anyone who sees internationally recognized signals and doesn't know what they mean is...

    ...ignorant, stupid, or up to no good.
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