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    Re: US Ship Fires on Boat off Dubai, 1 Dead

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    That and Isolated.....check this out.

    That's some great info of which I wasn't aware. Definitely trying to make Iran irrelevant.

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    Re: US Ship Fires on Boat off Dubai, 1 Dead

    Quote Originally Posted by tecoyah View Post
    In my opinion, anyone approaching a Military ship in unstable waters is either ignorant, stupid, or up to no good. The big boat has guns for a reason...respect that, or expect the worst.

    Exactly.... ignorant, stupid, up to no good or have a death wish.

    Moral of the story: Governments should educate the fishermen before giving them license for fishing in the most dangerous waters of the world!

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    Re: US Ship Fires on Boat off Dubai, 1 Dead

    I find it very hard to believe those fishermen weren't warned. It just isn't very likely. We allowed the boats used to protest us in Australia to get pretty close til we told them that they would be fired upon if they got closer while we were in Perth before OIF. The ships logs should show that they were warned (heck, those Australians taped their warnings and broadcast them on TV to claim we were "threatening" them).

    I was out when the Cole got hit. Security was horrible. In fact, we had just left Jebel Ali when it happened and only got to return for pier liberty over Christmas. Now, I know this wasn't an actual USN ship, but still the protocol would have to be the same, especially with our sailors onboard.
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    Re: US Ship Fires on Boat off Dubai, 1 Dead

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    I find it very hard to believe those fishermen weren't warned. It just isn't very likely. We allowed the boats used to protest us in Australia to get pretty close til we told them that they would be fired upon if they got closer while we were in Perth before OIF. The ships logs should show that they were warned (heck, those Australians taped their warnings and broadcast them on TV to claim we were "threatening" them).

    I was out when the Cole got hit. Security was horrible. In fact, we had just left Jebel Ali when it happened and only got to return for pier liberty over Christmas. Now, I know this wasn't an actual USN ship, but still the protocol would have to be the same, especially with our sailors onboard.

    They were warned............

    "the Rappahannock, but a Navy security team is aboard to protect the ship. "The U.S. crew repeatedly attempted to warn the vessel's operators to turn away from their deliberate approach," the Navy statement said. U.S. officials said the fishermen ignored warnings by radio, loudspeakers and flashing lights before the Navy security team opened fire." (see post 8)

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    Re: US Ship Fires on Boat off Dubai, 1 Dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Connery View Post
    They were warned............

    "the Rappahannock, but a Navy security team is aboard to protect the ship. "The U.S. crew repeatedly attempted to warn the vessel's operators to turn away from their deliberate approach," the Navy statement said. U.S. officials said the fishermen ignored warnings by radio, loudspeakers and flashing lights before the Navy security team opened fire." (see post 8)
    Yes, I know what the story says (and I actually believe this side knowing what I do from being a sailor) but I was going off what the "fishermen" are claiming. It does sound like a he said/*Navy* said case, but hopefully the ship keeps recordings of when they issue warnings. Log books are good too, particularly if there is no sign at all of tampering, but audio or video would be even better as a "see, we have proof that we warned them no matter what they try to claim".
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    Re: US Ship Fires on Boat off Dubai, 1 Dead

    This is not an isolated situation. These fishermen should have taken better care to prepare themselves and communicate with the US ship as well. These waters are known with be hostile and dangerous. They too, could have communicated by flashing lights, stopping their boat, radio etc etc etc.

    According to one of the survivors they were warned as well...."Sarvana (one of the Indian fishermen aboard the boat) said the fishermen were headed in the same direction as the U.S. naval vessel, which they saw, but veered off in a different direction to deal with an engine problem. The U.S. ship flashed some lights at them, he said, but given the bright sunlight the fishermen were unsure what the signals meant. Then the ship fired on them. Indian fishermen have found themselves in the cross-fire of anti-piracy and counter-terrorism operations lately. This week's incident follows one in February in which two Indian fishermen were shot dead off the coast of India by an Italian cargo vessel that mistook them for pirates, creating diplomatic tensions between the two nations."

    U.S. offers condolences to India after fatal ship shooting - latimes.com

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    Re: US Ship Fires on Boat off Dubai, 1 Dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Mya View Post

    Moral of the story: Governments should educate the fishermen before giving them license for fishing in the most dangerous waters of the world!
    Sailors have every reason to educate themselves about the rules of the area they are going to sail in. The government should not be responsible for this your paternalistic approach to seafaring.

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    Re: US Ship Fires on Boat off Dubai, 1 Dead

    The fishermen claimed that they had no warning from the refueling ship including warning signs and sound but the Rappahannock fired on the “small motor vessel” after the latter “disregarded non-lethal warnings and rapidly approached the US ship”. It's likely that the gunners on the US ship fired warning shots towards the small vessel but it kept going without slowing down and it's the fishermen's fault to approach the Rappahannock in a menacing manner and the gunners just followed instructions to deal with the situation and it could have been a repeat of the USS Cole bombing and security was understandably tight around the US ship.
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    Re: US Ship Fires on Boat off Dubai, 1 Dead

    Quote Originally Posted by Connery View Post
    Sailors have every reason to educate themselves about the rules of the area they are going to sail in. The government should not be responsible for this your paternalistic approach to seafaring.

    I agree.

    But sadly in this case, perhaps a little bit of "paternalistic government warning" would have saved a life?

    One only hopes this will make the fishermen in those troubled waters more cautious in the future.

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    Re: US Ship Fires on Boat off Dubai, 1 Dead

    Your suppositions Vs a victim who was there....

    "We had no warning at all from the ship, we were speeding up to try and go around them and then suddenly we got fired at," 28-year-old Muthu Muniraj told Reuters from hospital, his legs punctured by the rounds of the U.S. craft's .50-caliber gun.
    "We know warning signs and sounds and there were none; it was very sudden. My friend was killed, he's gone. I don't understand what happened."


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