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Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that." [W:417]

Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that."

We understand that you have the talking points. We have heard them. They are a lie. He is doing what statists always do. Statists denigrate sacrifice, initiative and success unless it occurs on behalf of the state.

The one term Marxist is just preparing to try to take even more from the makers. He will continue to be very dangerous to the nation for just a few more months.

So, anytime the facts prove you wrong, it's a talking point? Convienent. And weak.
 
Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that."

Not sure how many jobs you think need to be generated each month to keep up with population growth, but the number is about 150,000. 4½ million jobs over the last 2½ years equals 150,000 jobs per month and that is enough to keep up with population growth.


I don't know how they came up with that number, but the private sector has grown by 4½ million jobs over the last 2½ years ...

01/10: 106,800,000
07/12: 111,317,000

BLS: Private Sector


Yes, I am Liberal and yes, the public sector is suffering. While the private sector has gained 4½ million jobs over the last 2½ years, the public sector has lost 551,000 over that same period of time.


I posted, "The Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act cut regulations ... how'd that turn out?." I don't know how you missed that?


That's not a "real statistic," it's one you just made up. :doh

07/2009: 154,538,000
07/2012: 155,013,000

BLS: Labor Force

Despite your made up "real statistics," the labor force has not shrunk and there are more people working today than there were 3 years ago. Perhaps you are confusing with the labor force with the participation rate?


I bet you don't even know that the unemployment rate has increased less under Obama than every Republican president on record except for Reagan for the first 42 months in office respectively...


GHW Bush +2.3 +43%
Nixon +2.2 +65%
Ford** +2.0 +36%
Eisenhower +1.5 +52%
Bush +1.3 +31%
Obama +0.5 +6%
Carter +0.3 +4%
Reagan 0.0 +0%
Kennedy* -1.2 -14%
Clinton -1.8 -25%
Johnson -1.9 -33%

* = Kennedy was in office 34 months

** = Ford was in office 29 months


Bureau of Labor Statistics Data


... and that is factoring in that Obama inherited the worst economy that any president inherited except for FDR.


More made up "real statistics." The private sector has gained jobs under his administration while the public sector has lost jobs.


No, Liberals do not place government atop the economy as if wealth is going to trickle down. You haven't gotten anything right in your post and this trend continues with this nonsense of yours. Nobody expects to get wealthy from the government; but Liberals do rely on the government to protect workers from companies that would treat their employees the way companies in China treat theirs, if they could.

The rest of your post is just more Conservative delusions.

A valiant attempt at telling the truth, but you just couldn't get it done.

You need to check your statistics. The labor force is smaller now than it was 3 years ago. 7 million people have abandoned the job market. That's a full 2% increase from when Obama took office. 1 million MORE workers have been unemployed for longer than 28 months than there were at the recession's end. The median length of unemployment has increased from 17 weeks to 19 weeks under Obama. Now pay attention, you take 7 million people out of the job market, they don't get counted in the unemployment number!!! If you add them back in, unemployment is over 10%!

So, you can spin numbers around all you want. The simple fact is that the labor force has shrunk. Fewer people are working. 7 million people have abandoned the job market who aren't figured into unemployment numbers. The economy must generate over 200,000 jobs per month to see any movement in the unemployment number. Your screwed up math about job creation is just laughable. He keeps bragging about 4.4 million new jobs. In the bounce from the 1981-82 recession, we created 9.5 million new jobs, over twice as much as under Obama.

If your claim is that more people are working, then how do you explain the explosion in the food stamp roles? How do you explain the increase in the poverty rate? And how do you explain why median household incomes are down? And how do you explain why the government felt like it needed to extend unemployment benefits out to 99 weeks? How do you explain the 40 year low for new business start ups?

My stats come straight from the Bureau of Labor Statistics. Now, I'm going to link the cite, and you can go see for yourself. Here's the simple fact my friend.

In August of 2009, the Labor Force Participation rate was at 65.5%, and the Employment Population ratio was 59.2%. Fast forward to July 2012, just last month. The Labor Force Participation rate was at 63.7%, and the Employment Population Ratio was at 58.4%. Translation: THERE ARE FEWER PARTICIPATING WORKERS IN THE WORK FORCE THAN THERE WERE 3 YEARS AGO.

http://www.bls.gov/news.release/archives/empsit_08032012.pdf

The Participation rate is the percentage of age eligible workers who are actively working. I don't know how or why you don't understand these simple figures. The amount of jobs created hasn't kept pace, and it's not even close, because there are fewer people working in America today than there was 3 years ago. 7 million people have abandoned the labor market. Long term unemployment has risen. The median time of unemployment has risen. Food stamp roles have risen. New business start ups have dropped to a 40 year low. Unemployment crept up this last month. Median household incomes have dropped. Home foreclosures have risen.

I mean, all of these are clear indicators that job creation is horrible. There are more people leaving the labor market than are entering, and liberals like to run around and say we are headed in the right direction. And you have the audacity to say that conservatives are the delusional ones? lol....ok. No, I'm not delusional. Delusion would be to say we are headed in the right direction, when in fact, every economic indicator out there points to us heading in the opposite direction.

Here's another quote, straight from the report: "In July, 2.5 million persons were marginally attached to the labor force, down from 2.8 million a year
earlier. (These data are not seasonally adjusted.) These individuals were not in the labor force, wanted
and were available for work, and had looked for a job sometime in the prior 12 months. They were not
counted as unemployed because they had not searched for work in the 4 weeks preceding the survey."

Get that? Even the number of people "marginally" attached to the labor force is down by 300,000. It's down much more than that over the 3 year period.

So excuse me if I take my own intelligence over your thread posts. I can read a report as easily as the next guy. And you're wrong.
 
Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that."

A valiant attempt at telling the truth, but you just couldn't get it done.

You need to check your statistics. The labor force is smaller now than it was 3 years ago. 7 million people have abandoned the job market. That's a full 2% increase from when Obama took office. 1 million MORE workers have been unemployed for longer than 28 months than there were at the recession's end. The median length of unemployment has increased from 17 weeks to 19 weeks under Obama. Now pay attention, you take 7 million people out of the job market, they don't get counted in the unemployment number!!! If you add them back in, unemployment is over 10%!

So, you can spin numbers around all you want. The simple fact is that the labor force has shrunk. Fewer people are working. 7 million people have abandoned the job market who aren't figured into unemployment numbers. The economy must generate over 200,000 jobs per month to see any movement in the unemployment number. Your screwed up math about job creation is just laughable. He keeps bragging about 4.4 million new jobs. In the bounce from the 1981-82 recession, we created 9.5 million new jobs, over twice as much as under Obama.

If your claim is that more people are working, then how do you explain the explosion in the food stamp roles? How do you explain the increase in the poverty rate? And how do you explain why median household incomes are down? And how do you explain why the government felt like it needed to extend unemployment benefits out to 99 weeks? How do you explain the 40 year low for new business start ups?

My stats come straight from the Bureau of Labor Statistics. Now, I'm going to link the cite, and you can go see for yourself. Here's the simple fact my friend.

In August of 2009, the Labor Force Participation rate was at 65.5%, and the Employment Population ratio was 59.2%. Fast forward to July 2012, just last month. The Labor Force Participation rate was at 63.7%, and the Employment Population Ratio was at 58.4%. Translation: THERE ARE FEWER PARTICIPATING WORKERS IN THE WORK FORCE THAN THERE WERE 3 YEARS AGO.

http://www.bls.gov/news.release/archives/empsit_08032012.pdf

The Participation rate is the percentage of age eligible workers who are actively working. I don't know how or why you don't understand these simple figures. The amount of jobs created hasn't kept pace, and it's not even close, because there are fewer people working in America today than there was 3 years ago. 7 million people have abandoned the labor market. Long term unemployment has risen. The median time of unemployment has risen. Food stamp roles have risen. New business start ups have dropped to a 40 year low. Unemployment crept up this last month. Median household incomes have dropped. Home foreclosures have risen.

I mean, all of these are clear indicators that job creation is horrible. There are more people leaving the labor market than are entering, and liberals like to run around and say we are headed in the right direction. And you have the audacity to say that conservatives are the delusional ones? lol....ok. No, I'm not delusional. Delusion would be to say we are headed in the right direction, when in fact, every economic indicator out there points to us heading in the opposite direction.

Here's another quote, straight from the report: "In July, 2.5 million persons were marginally attached to the labor force, down from 2.8 million a year
earlier. (These data are not seasonally adjusted.) These individuals were not in the labor force, wanted
and were available for work, and had looked for a job sometime in the prior 12 months. They were not
counted as unemployed because they had not searched for work in the 4 weeks preceding the survey."

Get that? Even the number of people "marginally" attached to the labor force is down by 300,000. It's down much more than that over the 3 year period.

So excuse me if I take my own intelligence over your thread posts. I can read a report as easily as the next guy. And you're wrong.

Telling the truth isn't exactly your strong suit. First, no one denies that the labor force has shrunk. In fact it's been shrinking for about a decade, in large part due to the aging of the baby boomers. That trend is accelerating and probably accounts for at least half of the decrease in the labor force under Obama. Second, and related to the previous point, it is no longer the case that the economy needs to add 200,000 jobs per month to keep unemployment steady. Most economists now say we need to add somewhere around 125,000 jobs/month to stay even.
 
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Telling the truth isn't exactly your strong suit.
Are you calling him a liar? If you are, that is the second time in 2 days that I have seen you do that to someone.
And - as I mentioned yesterday -

Lie
n.
1. A false statement deliberately presented as being true; a falsehood.
2. Something meant to deceive or give a wrong impression.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Lie


Unless you can prove Masada deliberately stated a falsehood, you owe him an apology (IF you are indeed calling him a liar).


Personally, I found his post had lots of VERY accurate statistics.
First, no one denies that the labor force has shrunk. In fact it's been shrinking for about a decade, in large part due to the aging of the baby boomers. That trend is accelerating and probably accounts for at least half of the decrease in the labor force under Obama.
Even the most optimistic liberal think tank (that I have seen) says that at MOST ALMOST half of those leaving the work force are doing so because of retirement.

And of those - undoubtedly many are doing so prematurely because they cannot find a job in Obama's America.

Second, and related to the previous point, it is no longer the case that the economy needs to add 200,000 jobs per month to keep unemployment steady. Most economists now say we need to add somewhere around 125,000 jobs/month to stay even.
This is true.

Just doing some simple math from last month - by my calculations - the US economy would need to create 126,763 jobs to maintain the population growth (the latter of which has been increasingly falling during the last few years).
 
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So, anytime the facts prove you wrong, it's a talking point? Convienent. And weak.
All of the arguments have been made.

I see your have moved to wings for your avatar. Were you airborne for a time?
 
Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that."

All of the arguments have been made.

I see your have moved to wings for your avatar. Were you airborne for a time?

Yes. And at my old site, WS, that's the avatar I used. A another veteran had been kind enough to design one a bit more personal. But, yes, I was HHB Divarty. I was a medic.
 
Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that."

Telling the truth isn't exactly your strong suit. First, no one denies that the labor force has shrunk. In fact it's been shrinking for about a decade, in large part due to the aging of the baby boomers. That trend is accelerating and probably accounts for at least half of the decrease in the labor force under Obama. Second, and related to the previous point, it is no longer the case that the economy needs to add 200,000 jobs per month to keep unemployment steady. Most economists now say we need to add somewhere around 125,000 jobs/month to stay even.

Apparantly you just read my posts and no one else's. Yes, the person I responded to above denied that the labor force has shrunk. Here, let me quote from their post that I replied to: "Despite your made up "real statistics," the labor force has not shrunk and there are more people working today than there were 3 years ago."

Don't know how you missed that as you were accusing me of not telling the truth???

And if you would read my post more carefully, I said that we needed to create about 200k jobs/month to bring unemployment down. Not simply keep it from going up. 125k jobs will just keep unemployment steady, it will not bring it down. This is solid proof that even liberals have no confidence in Obama and this administration. They aren't talking about bringing unemployment DOWN, they are too worried about just keeping it from going up! So they cite numbers like 125k jobs/month out of desperation. They aren't even thinking about bringing the unemployment number down, they are just desperately hoping to create the bare minimum amount of jobs just to keep it from rising!!!

You are correct though, we need to create 125k jobs per month "to stay even". It's good to know you are satisfied with "staying even" with an 8.3% unemployment rate. I, on the other hand, would like to get back to 4.3%. In order to drop the unemployment rate like that, we need to create 200k jobs per month for quite a while. Not just a month or two, but like a year or two. Obama's philosophies prevent that from happening. He's a big spender, big government, redistributionist......not gonna happen under this Admin.
 
Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that."

Yes. And at my old site, WS, that's the avatar I used. A another veteran had been kind enough to design one a bit more personal. But, yes, I was HHB Divarty. I was a medic.
That is terrific. I am retired Army. I wore jump wings for my entire career. I loved jumping but never did get back to an airborne unit. For me it was military intelligence. Twenty years in a wide variety of places all over the world.
 
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That is terrific. I am retired Army. I wore jump wings for my entire career. I loved jumping but never did get back to an airborne unit. For me it was military intelligence. Twenty years in a wide variety of places all over the world.

I had 60 jumps. Loved Saturday NO AWOL jumps from Huey's best. Hated mass tact jumps. It was a good tour. Seriously considered staying in, but I choose to move on to other bothers.
 
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I had 60 jumps. Loved Saturday NO AWOL jumps from Huey's best. Hated mass tact jumps. It was a good tour. Seriously considered staying in, but I choose to move on to other bothers.
I envy you the jumps. I had a few from C-130s and a few more from C-141s. On the latter I was a stick leader so I was always first out on my side of the aircraft. I loved it.

I got stuck in an inversion for a couple of minutes once. Very interesting.
 
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I envy you the jumps. I had a few from C-130s and a few more from C-141s. On the latter I was a stick leader so I was always first out on my side of the aircraft. I loved it.

I got stuck in an inversion for a couple of minutes once. Very interesting.

I like tailgating better, but the C-141's are a rush.
 
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I like tailgating better, but the C-141's are a rush.

I hated side doors. I didn't like jumping to begin with, but side doors made it worse. I preferred jumping from slicks, because skids up to PLF was only about 15 minutes.
 
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I hated side doors. I didn't like jumping to begin with, but side doors made it worse. I preferred jumping from slicks, because skids up to PLF was only about 15 minutes.
I "suffer" from the compelling need to jump. The higher up I am the greater the compulsion. Any jump was a good jump.
 
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I "suffer" from the compelling need to jump. The higher up I am the greater the compulsion. Any jump was a good jump.

I on the other don't care for hights. However, espeically with a military jump, with all the equipment on, shoulder to shoulder with 60 fellow troopers, 100 degrees on the plane, and the guy next to your voimits, well, there were times I might have jumped without the parachute.
 
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What is so hard to understand that government builds infrastructure, businesses use the infrastructure, and without the infrastructure business can not thrive. Not to mention that a stable and solvent government is also necessary for entrepreneurship to thrive. It's all true..
 
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Citzens. Nearly all of which pay some sort of tax.

Except for the very poor and the very rich who can take advantage of numerous tax loopholes written into the code for them. This is why Romney pays 14% but most of Middle Class America pays 25-28%.
 
Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that."

What is so hard to understand that government builds infrastructure, businesses use the infrastructure, and without the infrastructure business can not thrive. Not to mention that a stable and solvent government is also necessary for entrepreneurship to thrive. It's all true..
In your world view then all that businesses need to survive and thrive is a nearby government-built road or bridge?

Who do most businesses fail? Is it due to a lack of a nearby government-built road or bridge?
 
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Except for the very poor and the very rich who can take advantage of numerous tax loopholes written into the code for them. This is why Romney pays 14% but most of Middle Class America pays 25-28%.
Would you please direct me to the part of the tax code that is written for the "very rich"? I would like to see it.

Is it time for you to join in the effort to get the Fair Tax in place?
 
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Would you please direct me to the part of the tax code that is written for the "very rich"? I would like to see it.

Is it time for you to join in the effort to get the Fair Tax in place?
Last year I paid somewhere close to 6%. H and R block rocks!
 
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No, community came first, trade was second.

Trade is one of the foundations of human existence and the world at large. As a result, the family and the community came after trade. This is all self evident if I'm not mistaken.
 
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Trade is one of the foundations of human existence and the world at large. As a result, the family and the community came after trade. This is all self evident if I'm not mistaken.

You are mistaken
 
Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that."

You are mistaken

That isn't really an argument, but thanks for wasting my time with that.
 
So why are we nominating the guy who created RomneyCare?
It is too late for this discussion. I preferred different. It is what is is. Our only order of business at this point is to defeat the one term Marxist flexible president Barrack Hussein Obama. If we fail in this the US is over. It will be a different place from which there will be no return. We shall suffer the same fate as Europe.
 
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Except for the very poor and the very rich who can take advantage of numerous tax loopholes written into the code for them. This is why Romney pays 14% but most of Middle Class America pays 25-28%.

But both ususally pay some somewhere along the line. I agree the working poor have the worst of it, but the point is we all contribute something.
 
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A valiant attempt at telling the truth, but you just couldn't get it done.

You need to check your statistics. The labor force is smaller now than it was 3 years ago.
Seriously, do numbers confuse you?

I've already shown you the labor force numbers then and now and the labor for is higher now than it was then...


07/2009: 154,538,000
07/2012: 155,013,000

BLS: Labor Force

Do you see that? Do you understand it?? The labor force at 155,013,000 today is bigger than it was 3 years ago at 154,538,000.

You're confusing the labor force with the labor force participation rate. They're not the same thing.

Capiche?
 
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