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Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that." [W:417]

Romulus said:
This is where you are wrong, and the reason why bloated government is unnecessary. All those decisions are made by AASHTO (a private organization)...then the FHWA (government) nods its head in agreement for multiple billions of wasted dollars. I bet you didn't know that. There is hardly a proper role for government other than lawmakers approving overall plans.
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All of the voting members of AASHTO are governments or government agencies.
 
Thunder said:
this is nothing but feigned ignorance of his point & his intent.

he was NOT accusing business-owners of not building & creating their own businesses.

any suggestion of such is just dishonest absurdity.
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Really. Suggesting that business owners didn't get where they were without Govt is not the same thing as accusing business owners of not creating their own business? I mean, apparently, without govt, they wouldn't have "built that!"


Logic is not your strong suit, is it?
 
Deuce said:
Let me help you people out there. Obama didn't say "You didn't build [your business]."

Obama said "You didn't build [those roads]."

So unless you built the roads with your own bare hands, shut the **** up!
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No, what he said is:

"If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business -- you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn’t get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet."

Where did he say "You didn't build those roads!"
 
mac said:
..."Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business -- you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn’t get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet."

Where did he say "You didn't build those roads!"
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again, you are just feigning ignorance to support your ideological brethren on this issue.

you're intelligent, and you know what Obama really said.
 
Thunder said:
again, you are just feigning ignorance to support your ideological brethren on this issue.

you're intelligent, and you know what Obama really said.
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Well, he said that somebody invested in roads and businesses, and if you've got a business, you didn't. Yes?
 
Thunder said:
again, you are just feigning ignorance to support your ideological brethren on this issue.
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You are ignoring what he said in support of your ideological brethren.

you're intelligent, and you know what Obama really said.
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I know clearly that he undercut the effort of the entrepreneur and over inflated that of govt.
 
mac said:
No, what he said is:

"If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business -- you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn’t get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet."

Where did he say "You didn't build those roads!"
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Correction, what he said was:

"If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business -- you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen.[/U][/I][/B] The Internet didn’t get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet."
 
AdamT said:
Correction, what he said was:

"If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business -- you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen.[/U][/I][/B] The Internet didn’t get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet."
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lol

Are you really trying to claim that "you didn't build that" simply did not refer at all to the preceding phrase "If you've got a business"?

:roll:, really?
 
mac said:
lol

Are you really trying to claim that "you didn't build that" simply did not refer at all to the preceding phrase "If you've got a business"?

:roll:, really?
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Yes, that is perfectly obvious.
 
AdamT said:
All of the voting members of AASHTO are governments or government agencies.
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From state governments, it's a private coordinating body that makes bloated federal agencies unnecessary.
 
Romulus said:
From state governments, it's a private coordinating body that makes bloated federal agencies unnecessary.
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Incorrect. In fact it's like an uber-governmental agency:

The voting membership of AASHTO consists of the Department of Transportation of each state in the United States, as well as that of Puerto Rico and the District of Columbia. The United States Department of Transportation, some U.S. cities, counties and toll-road operators, most Canadian provinces as well as the Hong Kong Highways Department, the Turkish Ministry of Public Works and Settlement and the Nigerian Association of Public Highway and Transportation Officials have non-voting associate memberships.
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mac said:
lol

Are you really trying to claim that "you didn't build that" simply did not refer at all to the preceding phrase "If you've got a business"?

:roll:, really?
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The point was that, yes successful people become successful because of their own initiative, but also because of the people before who helped them along the way. What's so wrong about that?
 
zstep18 said:
The point was that, yes successful people become successful because of their own initiative, but also because of the people before who helped them along the way. What's so wrong about that?
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What's wrong is that Obama said it. ;)
 
zstep18 said:
The point was that, yes successful people become successful because of their own initiative, but also because of the people before who helped them along the way. What's so wrong about that?
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What's the conclusion, then?
 
AdamT said:
Incorrect. In fact it's like an uber-governmental agency:
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Wrong:

While AASHTO is not a government body, it does possess quasi-governmental powers in the sense that the organizations that supply its members customarily obey most AASHTO decisions. It is an example of a general tendency in the American style of government to outsource many governmental functions to nongovernmental expert organizations, whose decisions are then routinely ratified by appropriate government agencies.
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Do you even want to know the truth?
 
AdamT said:
It is simply the only rational way to read the paragraph.
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Only if you rearrange the words. You're actually splitting a sentence in half and replying it elsewhere.
 
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