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Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that." [W:417]

"If you've got a business, you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen". There's his quote. He also said, "Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive."

Yes, that "somebody" was another business owner who paid taxes, or another private individual who paid taxes. So, ya, he's right. "Somebody" did help me build my business. It was another business owner, and another private tax payer. Not his precious federal government. And those roads and bridges were built for EVERYONE, not just the business owners. You drive on roads dont you? Do you own a business? You went to school too right? Do you own a business?

Schools and roads weren't built just for business owners. They were built for everyone. And I pay for them more than a person who doesn't own a business. That's why I say that business owners are even MORE responsible for those roads and bridges than any one else. That's just a fact.
 
"If you've got a business, you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen". There's his quote.....

no, that is his quote taken totally out of context.

he was talking about building bridges & roads, not building businesses.
 
no, that is his quote taken totally out of context.

he was talking about building bridges & roads, not building businesses.

The bottom line is that ALL of Obama's nonsense is simply to justify higher taxes on "the rich". His BASIC argument is that businesses (and the rich) somehow get more advantage from infrastructure, than any "middle class" folks, and thus should pay WAY more for it.
 
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he has a Law Degree from Harvard Law.

he is FAR from being "ignorant".

Guess he should have known he was misrepresenting the individual mandate when he said it wasn't a tax then.
 
The bottom line is that ALL of Obama's nonsense is simply to justify higher taxes on "the rich". His BASIC argument is that businesses (and the rich) somehow get more advantage from infrastructure, than any "middle class" folks, and thus should pay WAY more for it.

was that really his argument?
 
no, that is his quote taken totally out of context.

he was talking about building bridges & roads, not building businesses.

For argument's sake, I'll say you're right about that. But then again, you are still WRONG, just like the Manchild President. Now you are saying that government is responsible for building roads and bridges!

lol....that's incorrect too! The government doesn't create a single thing unless they extract money from private businesses and individuals TO PAY FOR ROADS AND BRIDGES! The government didn't create anything that produced wealth so they could fund the building of roads and bridges. THEY TAXED A BUSINESS AND AN INDIVIDUAL FIRST in order to build roads and bridges. It's the private sector which is responsible for it all, including HIS very own paycheck.

Get this through your ignorant skull: Government cannot spend a single dime unless it FIRST extracts money from the private sector (businesses and individuals) via taxes. So, who's responsible for building the roads and bridges???? OTHER BUSINESSES AND INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE PAYING TAXES!!!!

Geez, when are you going to learn that government produces NOTHING???? What do they produce? What does the government produce which makes a profit? Without a profit, how could they build roads and bridges? Oh, that's right, TAXES. WE pay for those things, therefore, WE are responsible for them. Not the government.

He's ignorant, just like you.
 
no, that is his quote taken totally out of context.

he was talking about building bridges & roads, not building businesses.

It wasn't taken at all out of context. Exaggerated....but well within context.
 
It wasn't taken at all out of context....

sure it was.

Obama was talking abaout building bridges & roads, not accusing business-owners of not creating their businesses.

suggesting such is sad & pathetic.
 
Just to reiterate, good roads were the result of successful businesses, not the other way around.

Go check out some of the incredible highway systems in Africa and get back to me on this.

Modern society couldn't even function without good roads. That is why it's so scary that merely maintaining our infrastructure has become a political issue.
 
The bottom line is that ALL of Obama's nonsense is simply to justify higher taxes on "the rich". His BASIC argument is that businesses (and the rich) somehow get more advantage from infrastructure, than any "middle class" folks, and thus should pay WAY more for it.

We do pay way more for it. Through property taxes, income taxes, and local sales taxes. I promise you this, in the state where I live, property tax is used to fund county roads and bridges, as well as help fund teacher's salaries. So, a person who own's property (a business), pays way more in taxes than a person working down at the grocery store for 8 bucks and hour and doesn't own property.

My business also pays taxes on profits too, which go to pay teachers. So, if it weren't for successful businesses, who are making profits, what do you think teachers would get paid? People who do not pay these taxes STILL get the benefits of roads and public schools, but they pay little to nothing for the services. The services are heavily financed off the backs of successful businesses. Now, anyone who has ever owned a business KNOWS what you are paying taxes on, and for. Which is why I KNOW Obama and Thunder are simply IGNORANT. They have never owned a business, and have no idea what business owners pay taxes on, or what those taxes go to fund.

So, you wanna talk about roads and bridges, let me be more clear Thunder, business owners are more responsible for building those than anyone else too. Because we pay property taxes, higher income taxes, and higher sales taxes (if you sell a product). We also pay HALF of our employees Social Security Taxes. We also pay for their health insurance premiums. We also pay them a wage or salary. The government doesn't do that for me. I DO IT.
 
Go check out some of the incredible highway systems in Africa and get back to me on this.

Modern society couldn't even function without good roads. That is why it's so scary that merely maintaining our infrastructure has become a political issue.

Who built the roads there? The government?

Hmmmmm.....where did the government get the money to build those roads?
 
No matter how hard you whack a strawman, it still stays a strawman.
 
sure it was.

Obama was talking abaout building bridges & roads, not accusing business-owners of not creating their businesses.

suggesting such is sad & pathetic.

He wasn't just talking about building roads and bridges. He was saying that success is not possible without govt help. This is not true. If it were true, you should be real pissed off that you are not rich and successful because Pres. Obama let you down.
 
Just to reiterate, good roads were the result of successful businesses, not the other way around.
It's a two-way street (no pun intended). Good roads result from a successful society. A successful society benefits far more from good roads than they would from bad roads.
 
He wasn't just talking about building roads and bridges. He was saying that success is not possible without govt help. This is not true.....

so you acknowledge that the silly claim that "Obama says business-owners didn't create their businesses", is a stupid lie?
 
from all tax payers and other govt. revenue sources.

Yes, that's right. From tax payers.

Now, I want you to go do your damn homework. I want you to compare individual tax revenues to corporate tax revenues, and get back with me on which one is higher. Then tell me that companies aren't paying the lion's share for the roads and bridges the government has built. Heck, the government still goes out and relies on a PRIVATE BUSINESS to build those roads and bridges. They pay them through a contract, with tax dollars, and that private company has to turn around and pay taxes on the profits. All the while, the government did nothing but say, "we need a road here".

If your parents paid for your college tuition, you can't say "you are responsible" for paying for college. No, your parents are responsible, because they paid for it. Without first paying for it, you wouldn't of gone to college. Just like that bridge. Without first taxing some business, the government couldn't have paid to have the bridge built.

As for the ignoramous who commented about Africa's roads......I'll say that the government there confiscates profits from businesses in order to pay for things. Or they get international aid from America, which gets the majority of its' tax revenues from private businesses here at home.

Just making my case that much stronger.
 
He wasn't just talking about building roads and bridges. He was saying that success is not possible without govt help. This is not true. If it were true, you should be real pissed off that you are not rich and successful because Pres. Obama let you down.

Are you familiar with the concept of a neccesary but not sufficient condition? That is what Obama was describing. Government is necessary for businesses succeed, but government alone obviously isn't sufficient. It also requires individual initiative, hard work, and personal responsibility.
 
It's a two-way street (no pun intended). Good roads result from a successful society. A successful society benefits far more from good roads than they would from bad roads.

True enough. Except successful societies pay taxes to have roads built, whereas societies assume no risk or investment into my successful business. So, no, it's not a two way street. Society reeps benefits from successful businesses, but society isn't investing into my business.

If you do not own a business, but you drive on the same roads I do, who's assuming more responsibility? I am. You reap the benefits off the backs of taxes paid by businesses and individuals. That's a sheer fact. The government is responsible for none of it.
 
you know,we could have an honest discussion about this whole issue, if folks got off this silly red-herring about business-owners not making their businesses.
 
Yes, that's right. From tax payers.

Now, I want you to go do your damn homework. I want you to compare individual tax revenues to corporate tax revenues, and get back with me on which one is higher.

Dude, you really need to do the homework yourself before you make yourself look even sillier. Corporate income taxes comprise just 9% of federal tax revenue, versus 42% from individual taxes. The lion's share of the rest comes from payroll taxes.
 
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