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Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that." [W:417]

Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that."

We're shipping American jobs to China as fast as we can.

If you want those jobs to come back to America, tell your Congressmen to change our environmental and labor laws so they are similar to China's.

and yet their was a story on ABC news today about manufacturing jobs coming BACK to the USA, even without loosening our labor & environmental laws. They found that our quality was better, amoung other things.
 
Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that."

We're shipping American jobs to China as fast as we can.

If you want those jobs to come back to America, tell your Congressmen to change our environmental and labor laws so they are similar to China's.

Personally, I suspect the major reason for outsourcing is that people want cheap goods. I would be surprised if labor laws and EPA regs were the primary problem.
 
Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that."

Personally, I suspect the major reason for outsourcing is that people want cheap goods. I would be surprised if labor laws and EPA regs were the primary problem.

true but labor laws and EPA regs increase the price of goods
 
Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that."

sure, maybe a little.

at the profit margins many companies operate at-a "LITTLE" is the difference between hiring more people, investing in more R&D or shutting the doors
 
Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that."

true but labor laws and EPA regs increase the price of goods

Even if we paid minimum wage, Chinese and other foreign goods would still be much less expensive than ours.
 
Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that."

The fact is is that a lot of businesses succeed in spite of government.
 
Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that."

Yeah, because you say so. Don't buy it, buy European socialism, because you are unable to do for yourself. Do you realize that many couldn't afford slaves, and did their own work? You really are in fairyland about slavery.

Buy it or not, it is what you're speaking of. The mythology is much more prevenlent than reality in a lot of cultures. But everything I mentioned, from forts to slavery to the Constitiion replacing the articles of confederation, was us using and working with others to succeed.
 
Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that."

The fact is is that a lot of businesses succeed in spite of government.

Fact is this quote was drastically taken out of context
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Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that."

Even if we paid minimum wage, Chinese and other foreign goods would still be much less expensive than ours.

But....if we got rid of the minimum wage law........
 
Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that."

Even if we paid minimum wage, Chinese and other foreign goods would still be much less expensive than ours.


true far less government imposed costs
 
Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that."

and the 40-hour work week.

and OSHA regulations.

and fire-escapes.

and child-labor laws.


given competition to our american made goods don't have those sort of costs what is your solution?
 
Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that."

I have no clue what you are blathering about. Your master and his protege-Fauxhchontas-both try to justify taxing the already overtaxed successful by claiming that their success is due to a government they already heavily fund

Let me be clear then since it went about a mile over your head the first time: what you do, time after time after time, in post after post after post, in thread after thread after thread, is make pompous personal pontifications about your own self imposed belief system and you attempt to support these statements simply by demonizing anyone who takes a different position. You take their position and twist it. You take their position and pervert it. You take their position and exaggerate it beyond all normal recognition until it is a cartoon caricature of what they actually said.

It is the quintessential strawman that you battle in post after post after post.

Your constant insulting reference to progressives having MASTERS that they must obey is a perfect example. Nobody here has a master unless its you following the orders of right wing thought molders. Do you?

But your use of the word MASTERS is an ad hominem attack that perverts and twists what somebody really believes and what motivates their post.

Clear now?
 
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and the 40-hour work week.

and OSHA regulations.

and fire-escapes.

and child-labor laws.

Who needs that ****?


:coffeepap
 
Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that."

Let me be clear then since it went about a mile over your head the first time: what you do, time after time after time, in post after post after post, in thread after thread after thread, is make pompous personal pontifications about your own self imposed belief system and you attempt to support these statements simply by demonizing anyone who takes a different position. You take their position and twist it. You take their position and pervert it. You take their position and exaggerate it beyond all normal recognition until it is a cartoon caricature of what they actually said.

It is the quintessential strawman that you battle in post after post after post.

Your constant insulting reference to progressives having MASTERS that they must obey is a perfect example. Nobody here has a master unless its you following the orders of right wing thought molders. Do you?

But your use of the word MASTERS is an ad hominem attack that perverts and twists what somebody really believes and what motivates their post.

Clear now?

rant noted and rejected as being specious.

the left does have masters. the left worships more government and more governmental control

and yes you constantly state that the government needs more of our money
 
Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that."

and the 40-hour work week.

and OSHA regulations.

and fire-escapes.

and child-labor laws.

So, are you insinuating that *if* we got rid of those laws, businesses would just automatically go back to employing children, forcing inhumane work-week hours, and dangerous conditions? How exactly do you think that'd go over?

Let's say...oh, I dunno....Apple decided to employ 10-year olds, and forced them to work 60 hours a week at $1.00 an hour. Would you buy Apple products knowing that? Know anyone who would? Know anyone who'd actually continue working under those conditions? Know anyone who'd apply for such a job? Think that company would stay in business, if no one wanted to work for them?
 
Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that."

So, are you insinuating that *if* we got rid of those laws, businesses would just automatically go back to employing children, forcing inhumane work-week hours, and dangerous conditions? How exactly do you think that'd go over? Let's say...oh, I dunno....Apple decided to employ 10-year olds, and forced them to work 60 hours a week at $1.00 an hour. Would you buy Apple products knowing that? Know anyone who would? Know anyone who'd actually continue working under those conditions? Know anyone who'd apply for such a job? Think that company would stay in business, if no one wanted to work for them?

Are you saying they wouldn't? Many of our businesses do it openly in other countries... why wouldn't they do it here if it was legal?
 
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rant noted and rejected as being specious.

the left does have masters. the left worships more government and more governmental control

and yes you constantly state that the government needs more of our money

Thank you for proving my point. You make a most excellent witness against yourself. In a post defending your hyperbolic insulting use of the term MASTERS you go an use it yet again. Its bordering on uncontrollable. Amazing.

It is also plain that when somebody takes you to the woodshed and destroys you with a post you always describe it as a rant, use your favorite word SPECIOUS and are impotent to refute it.
 
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Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that."

But....if we got rid of the minimum wage law........
Then everyone's wages would go down because they would be competing with people willing to work for $3 a day.
 
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rant noted and rejected as being specious.

the left does have masters. the left worships more government and more governmental control

and yes you constantly state that the government needs more of our money
I thought he was talking about you.

The left doesn't worship, the right does. The right wants more government control in the form of a police state aka fascism. The right constantly wants more money to build more prisons and warehouse people for the rest of their lives at taxpayer expense and when they aren't harping about that they whine for more money to spend on weapons and military to control other countries.
 
Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that."

I thought he was talking about you.

The left doesn't worship, the right does. The right wants more government control in the form of a police state aka fascism. The right constantly wants more money to build more prisons and warehouse people for the rest of their lives at taxpayer expense and when they aren't harping about that they whine for more money to spend on weapons and military to control other countries.

you obviously have a specious and confused understanding of the right.
 
Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that."

you obviously have a specious and confused understanding of the right.

NO - it seems to me they were RIGHT on. ;)
 
Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that."

Are you saying they wouldn't? Many of our businesses do it openly in other countries... why wouldn't they do it here if it was legal?
Again...is this something the workers of those companies have a problem with? Are they forced to work there?

Regardless of rules, regulations or practices...the relationship between worker and employer is a two-way street.

Again....let's say Apple is guilty of all those "bad" hiring practices and working environments. Is anyone forced to work there? Do they have the ability to force a current worker to stay there, if they want to go? As an employee, you have the freedom to go if you don't like it there. As the employer, you create the best working conditions you can, if you expect to attract workers. I'm specifically talking about "1st world" situations. Not whatever obscure little 5th world puissant business might fall under an extremist point of view.
 
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