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Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that." [W:417]

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apdst said:
What are you even talkimg about? This makes no aense...lol!
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That's because you're a Conservative.

Conservatives don't understand economics. That's why they have to depend on the government to survive and also blame the government whenever their businesses fail.
 
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solletica said:
That's because you're a Conservative.

Conservatives don't understand economics. That's why they have to depend on the government to survive and also blame the government whenever their businesses fail.
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Oh, is that it?...lol!
 
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apdst said:
Oh, is that it?...lol!
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Absolutely.

The day there's a conservative who doesn't blame the government for his job woes and/or depend on the government is the day the temperature of Hell reaches 32 F or John Boehner has an erection (intellectually or physically).
 
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solletica said:
You wouldn't have had any business at all ever if it weren't for the government interfering in the market to shield offshore drillers from spill liability.

So thank the government for your livelihood, and quit complaining.
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This was very unlibertarian of you. We don't thank the government for our livelihoods. We feel that we are solely responsble for our own livelihoods or lack thereof. We strive NOT to be dependent on government or on other people for our sustenance.

Perhaps you should adjust your lean somewhere to the left of liberal.
 
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solletica said:
Absolutely.

The day there's a conservative who doesn't blame the government for his job woes and/or depend on the government is the day the temperature of Hell reaches 32 F or John Boehner has an erection (intellectually or physically).
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Clearly you don't know what you are talking about. I don't receive one iota of assistance from the government in my business and never have. Never. Not once. All I get from the government are more requirements, mandates, regulations, rules, penalties, and hassles- trying to force me to fit my business into the box they have created for it.
 
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kamikaze483 said:
This was very unlibertarian of you. We don't thank the government for our livelihoods.
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The government is the only reason apdst had any business at all, because it was the government that did the un-Libertarian thing of shielding offshore drillers from liability; without that shield, there would be no offshore drilling at all, and hence, no need for anyone like apdst to service the rigs.

In a Libertarian system, there would be no government shielding anyone from liability. And that's the system I want. And, of course, in such a system, apdst would have no business since there would be no offshore drilling in such a system.

Bottom line: conservatives like apdst could not survive in a Libertarian (free market) environment. Businesses like his can only survive in a non-free market system where government steps in to shield firms from liability.
 
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kamikaze483 said:
Clearly you don't know what you are talking about. I don't receive one iota of assistance from the government
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You do. Who do you think made the laws that force taxpayers to pick up the tab for oil spills? It was the federal government. If it weren't for that piece of (stupid) regulation, you would have nothing.
 
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without that shield, there would be no offshore drilling at all, and hence, no need for anyone like apdst to service the rigs.
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Without government intervention there would have never been a ban on offshore drilling. Perhaps the parties who had liability in the spill might have bankrupted, but the great thing about a profit driven capitalist marketplace is that disaster creates opportunity. Off shore drilling would surely have continued absent government intervention. The only question is which companies would have been doing it.

In a Libertarian system, there would be no government shielding anyone from liability
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True. But "liability" would have a totally different meaning and application in a libertarian system.

since there would be no offshore drilling in such a system
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Yes there would have been.

Businesses like his can only survive in a non-free market system where government steps in to shield firms from liability.
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I doubt you know anything at all about his business. And neither do I.
 
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solletica said:
You do. Who do you think made the laws that force taxpayers to pick up the tab for oil spills? It was the federal government. If it weren't for that piece of (stupid) regulation, you would have nothing.
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What? My business is healthcare. The government assisting in a natural disaster has never occurred in my area and has never affected my business. I, truly, do not see your point. Nor do I understand WHAT you are talking about.
 
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kamikaze483 said:
Without government intervention there would have never been a ban on offshore drilling.
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If it weren't for government intervention, there would be no liability shield and hence no offshore drilling at all, since no oil company could afford the total cost of their spills.
 
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kamikaze483 said:
What? My business is healthcare. The government assisting in a natural disaster has never occurred in my area and has never affected my business. I, truly, do not see your point. Nor do I understand WHAT you are talking about.
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I was talking about apdst's business business of servicing rigs. My bad.
 
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apdst said:
Nobody built my business for me. I'm the one that borrowed the money. I'm the one that paid the taxes. I pay the note. It was my ass if it flopped. I don't recall a single person saying, "hey dude, don't worry. If your business flops, I'm going to be right their with you". Not my customers, the government, nobody.

Obama's comments take away personal accomplishment and a sense of self worth for every ambitious person in this country. Pissin' on our parade, as the saying goes.
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What is the name of the sels sufficient, self sustaining independent island nation you created, live on and built all by yourself?
 
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apdst said:
Some private construction companies? Where did the money come from? Without the private sector, neither of those projects would have existed.
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You are ignoring the reality of the public record and history.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tennessee_Valley_Authority

read it and you will learn of the massive governmental role in this undertaking.
 
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haymarket said:
What is the name of the sels sufficient, self sustaining independent island nation you created, live on and built all by yourself?
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Ok apdst. Tell him the name of your business. LOL.
 
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kamikaze483 said:
Ok apdst. Tell him the name of your business. LOL.
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I am far more interested in the name of the self sufficient and self sustaining independent island nation he created and lives on all by himself .
 
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MaggieD said:
Without the "private sector," there is no government. There's no money for Hoover Dam and the TVA. Perhaps he should do a speech about that. Ha!
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I do not remember anyone taking issue with the need for a private sector.
 
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Meathead said:
The taxpayer. Stupid question.
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Actually you provided a stupid answer.

And they all just showed up one day with their materials and did it right?
 
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Zyphlin said:
And again, that's your objective reasoning placing importance onto one portion and devaluing the other. That's fine to do, but it's also no different than what Obama is doing. You make the argument that without that "special" something in her first, the community wouldn't have mattered. Someone could turn right back around and say that she could have all the "special" in her she wanted....if the drugstore guy wouldn't hire her, if the school didn't have teachers that facilitated her education, if that college didn't deem it worth while to have night classes, if the places she worked full time didn't hire her, if the USPS wasn't an entity to work for, if she didn't likely have the family and friends that undoubtably must've helped her in some fashion while being "off her feet", if she didn't have her friend to start the accounting business with, etc etc etc...then that "special" in her would've been for naught or at least for less.

Again, there's nothing wrong with you valuing one side more and feeling that it means more and devaluing the other side. But excuse me if I don't buy individuals on either side getting so high and mighty as to believe that their opinion on it is some absolute truth regarding it because everything they use to argue is entirely subjective and guessing based.

I personally am one of those people that tends to value the individual more than the community and place a larger amount of the burden/praise on that. However, I recognize that it's my subjective opinion and not some universal truth.
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My friend had more than the average person going against her and fought back. It wasn't an easy win and it took her a long time to accomplish what she set out to do, but she did it. IMO, to say she didn't build her business, through her own hard work is beyond me to understand. But I guess you can see it both ways.

I can't.
 
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whysoserious said:
Sounds like she pulled herself up by her bootstraps, which is great. But of course, the system helps with that. Perhaps she attended a community college for a few years, which makes things much cheaper. Or maybe she received some sort of government subsidy.

Either way, she navigated the system effectively and improved her life. I think what Obama and liberals want to do is to make it easier - or accessible - for people like her. The idea that any person is successful all on his/her own is ridiculous.
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Nope they want the outcome to be equal regardless of effort because that's only "fair" This is the byproduct of the participation trophy generation coming to fruition. You can have what you want just for showing up with no real effort or risk of failure required.
 
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haymarket said:
I do not remember anyone taking issue with the need for a private sector.
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Of course not, as long as the private sector is dictated and controlled by the government.
 
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Arbo said:
Who ever said businesses would do it themselves? You are putting forth the classic moving of the goal posts. The point is without all the businesses, the government wouldn't have the money to spend on good things it should do, or to waste on all the stuff it wastes on. Government exists because of business, not the inverse.
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Wait a minute. You are argument is that maybe, possibly, shoulda, coulda and woulda? Amazing. Some of us ae discussing reality why others are pretending that alternative universises would have contained different histories.
 
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Bronson said:
Have you ever tried to start your own business?

Certainly doesn't sound like it
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I know I have. Two of them. Pretty damn successful also. Some of us here actually know what it is to run a business and that is where we learned. Others seems to have learned the virtues of capitalism from textbooks and right wing radio.
 
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haymarket said:
Actually you provided a stupid answer.

And they all just showed up one day with their materials and did it right?
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Do we forget that the government is supposed to be by the people and for the people? Every government action is taken on behalf of the taxpayer. The taxpayer is the client that provides the money, and right now, the client isn't happy because the government is, while taking their money, acting on behalf of the freeloaders.
 
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