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Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that." [W:417]

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Well that wasn't very smart... but congrats to her.

Wasn't very smart??? Why? Because it's possible she could have let the taxpayers handle at least some of that for her?

Holy ****, what the **** ever happened to personal responsibility?
 
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Obama declaring the government is a free provider to all is wrong and shows the radical belief in an overseeing all power god-government upon which all success in life is dependent. And his partisans say "Yes master" to anything he says.

Here's a clue. Education isn't free to the public provided by the government. Education is paid for by people, not the government. The government doesn't actually pay for anything. People pay for it.

But in Obama's view, the government involuntarily takes money from people, then acts like it is benevolent charity the government gives to people when some that money it took goes back to people - after the government siphons off a trillion dollars for itself of the money it took from people.

Obama got it backwards. The message should be about government in the statement "you didn't build that," and not targeted down at businesses and individuals for the purpose of trivializing their efforts to try to give credit for their risks, efforts and successes instead to government.
 
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Wasn't very smart??? Why? Because it's possible she could have let the taxpayers handle at least some of that for her?

Holy ****, what the **** ever happened to personal responsibility?



What is amazing is that comments like "You didn't build that", take the hard work of people, like my friend, and make it "non exceptional". If her accomplishment was so easy, then everyone would be in her shoes. But that is not how it works. If it weren't for people like her, who are willing to work hard, save, deny themselves, pay taxes and build a business, then the govt wouldn't be spending as large as they do.
 
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Wasn't very smart??? Why? Because it's possible she could have let the taxpayers handle at least some of that for her?

Holy ****, what the **** ever happened to personal responsibility?

Personal responsibility? According to the story she opened an "Accounting firm"... oh really? You think if her firm can receive a tax subsidy or break she'll take it then? If so, and I am quite sure it would, why would you not save yourself money by going to community college for the first two years and/or take government financial aid since you are broke?

There is literally no difference.


What is amazing is that comments like "You didn't build that", take the hard work of people, like my friend, and make it "non exceptional". If her accomplishment was so easy, then everyone would be in her shoes. But that is not how it works. If it weren't for people like her, who are willing to work hard, save, deny themselves, pay taxes and build a business, then the govt wouldn't be spending as large as they do.

There are a lot of people in her shoes. I got a college degree, of course, I went to community college and took government financial aid because I have a brain. I also worked at the same time and my family helped me when I needed it. But I'm not so stuck up with my head up my ass that I can't tell that I didn't do it all on my own.

Hell, I even give a lot of credit to my professors in my success. Bet you won't hear many conservatives preaching that.
 
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Personal responsibility? According to the story she opened an "Accounting firm"... oh really? You think if her firm can receive a tax subsidy or break she'll take it then? If so, and I am quite sure it would, why would you not save yourself money by going to community college for the first two years and/or take government financial aid since you are broke?

There is literally no difference.

Yes it is obvious you believe such nonsense. Apples and oranges, and doing what is needed vs placing unneeded burden on everyone else. I'm sorry, but while bible thumpers cause problems of their own, this ho-hum get the government to take care of me attitude the left has, and has been working to instill into everyone, is really the lynch pin in the downfall of humanity.
 
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Yes it is obvious you believe such nonsense. Apples and oranges, and doing what is needed vs placing unneeded burden on everyone else. I'm sorry, but while bible thumpers cause problems of their own, this ho-hum get the government to take care of me attitude the left has, and has been working to instill into everyone, is really the lynch pin in the downfall of humanity.

Oh great argument. So, even though businesses are people, taking a tax subsidy as a business is more ethical than taking one as a person?

Great job! Keep up the good work.
 
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There are a lot of people in her shoes. I got a college degree, of course, I went to community college and took government financial aid because I have a brain. I also worked at the same time and my family helped me when I needed it. But I'm not so stuck up with my head up my ass that I can't tell that I didn't do it all on my own.

Hell, I even give a lot of credit to my professors in my success. Bet you won't hear many conservatives preaching that.


Good for you.
 
Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that."

Well that wasn't very smart... but congrats to her.

There's something wrong with a person paying his own way through college?
 
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No I'm not. It is merely a fact he had help. As did I. However, it is true I don't believe many, if any, actually do anything great completely on their own. That doesn't mean he did nothing, or that I did nothing, or anyone else.

If he'd flunked out, I'm sure he would have shouldered that blame all on his own.
 
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without public infrastructure, commerce would exist, but you'd be paying local warlords instead of government, and you'd get a lot less for your money.

Without private sector profits, that infrastructure wouldn't exist.
 
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Funny, from the posters who want to pin Romney to the wall if his words are a bit off, now we have Obama lackeys saying this isn't fair, who know what he really meant.

The problem for Obama is yes we do know he really meant and it is not the BS cited above.

Fail on so many levels....I'm not an "Obama lackey," I'm voting for Romney. I've never pinned Romney for any time when his words were taken out of context.

When you can't refute the substance, wrongly attack the messenger. "He doesn't think Obama's an evil socialist....Lackey!"
 
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Obama is absolutely right in that the business success isn't completely due to the business owners. It is a joint partnership between the consumer and the owner.

I've known a few people that have worked their asses off, but their business never got off the ground due to not enough consumers. Just because the business owners are hard working does not mean they will have a good business, they NEED consumers as well.

You can't have a successful business without the owners AND the consumer.
 
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Except that wasn't the way it was before governments really got into the business of building public infrastructure.

Look, I get it, public works projects like roads, water treatment and processing and all the like, make everything better.
Let's just not pretend, that they're necessary for commerce and civilization to exist, because in a great many places and in many times, they haven't and society functioned, sans warlords.

my point is that business and everyone else uses and benefits from public infrastructure. that was also the point of the quote in context. it was made into an out of context sound bite, which is done equally by both sides. I find that practice to be intellectually lazy and dishonest. at this site, we can actually discuss these issues at length, as this thread illustrates. it bothers me that the same discussion on a wider scale gets reduced to emotionally charged rhetoric.
 
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Except that wasn't the way it was before governments really got into the business of building public infrastructure.

Look, I get it, public works projects like roads, water treatment and processing and all the like, make everything better.
Let's just not pretend, that they're necessary for commerce and civilization to exist, because in a great many places and in many times, they haven't and society functioned, sans warlords.

It's not about necessary for civilization. But where would the trucking industry be today if the government hadn't built the Interstate system? Every business and every consumer benefits from it in some way, but the trucking industry as we know it wouldn't exist.

Things like infrastructure were largely built by government. It's one of the few things the government can effectively build the economy.
 
Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that."

Obama is absolutely right in that the business success isn't completely due to the business owners. It is a joint partnership between the consumer and the owner.

I've known a few people that have worked their asses off, but their business never got off the ground due to not enough consumers. Just because the business owners are hard working does not mean they will have a good business, they NEED consumers as well.

You can't have a successful business without the owners AND the consumer.

Consumers don't frequent a business just to be nice. They have a demand for a good, or service and that business owner meets that demand.

Consumers don't spend money for the hell of it.

Employees don't work for free.

Banks want their money back, with interest.

And, those businesses did just as much to pay for all that infrastructure as anyone else.
 
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It's not about necessary for civilization. But where would the trucking industry be today if the government hadn't built the Interstate system? Every business and every consumer benefits from it in some way, but the trucking industry as we know it wouldn't exist.

Things like infrastructure were largely built by government. It's one of the few things the government can effectively build the economy.
It was built by taxpayers, including for a large part business people. I really don't understand the point of portraying government as this completely benign and altruistic entity which gives, gives and gives, yet asks for nothing.

It is the height of liberal idiocy.
 
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It's not about necessary for civilization. But where would the trucking industry be today if the government hadn't built the Interstate system? Every business and every consumer benefits from it in some way, but the trucking industry as we know it wouldn't exist.

Things like infrastructure were largely built by government. It's one of the few things the government can effectively build the economy.

Where did the money come from to build the interstate system?

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Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that."

my point is that business and everyone else uses and benefits from public infrastructure. that was also the point of the quote in context. it was made into an out of context sound bite, which is done equally by both sides. I find that practice to be intellectually lazy and dishonest. at this site, we can actually discuss these issues at length, as this thread illustrates. it bothers me that the same discussion on a wider scale gets reduced to emotionally charged rhetoric.

1) None of that would happen, if someone didn't get off their asses and go start a business.

2) None of that would happen, if someone didn't get off their asses, go start a business and pay taxes to fund construction of that infrastructure.

It's true, that without that infrastructure businesses would have a harder time doing business, however at the end of the day, it takes that one person displaying some ambition, getting off his ass and making something happen. To say otherwise cheapens the entrepreneurial spirit in this country.
 
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Obama is absolutely right in that the business success isn't completely due to the business owners.

rocket88 said:
Here's what I get from what he said: businesses do not exist in a vacuum.

What's so hard to comprehend? In fact he even emphasized it by saying "The point is..."
The point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together.
 
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this quote was 100% taken out of context and shows the dishonesty of Fox News:

OBAMA: [L]ook, if you've been successful, you didn't get there on your own. You didn't get there on your own. I'm always struck by people who think, well, it must be because I was just so smart. There are a lot of smart people out there. It must be because I worked harder than everybody else. Let me tell you something -- there are a whole bunch of hardworking people out there.

If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you've got a business -- you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn't get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet.

The point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together. There are some things, just like fighting fires, we don't do on our own
. I mean, imagine if everybody had their own fire service. That would be a hard way to organize fighting fires.
 
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1) None of that would happen, if someone didn't get off their asses and go start a business.

2) None of that would happen, if someone didn't get off their asses, go start a business and pay taxes to fund construction of that infrastructure.

It's true, that without that infrastructure businesses would have a harder time doing business, however at the end of the day, it takes that one person displaying some ambition, getting off his ass and making something happen. To say otherwise cheapens the entrepreneurial spirit in this country.


Well said.
 
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Consumers don't frequent a business just to be nice. They have a demand for a good, or service and that business owner meets that demand.

Consumers don't spend money for the hell of it.

Employees don't work for free.

Banks want their money back, with interest.

And, those businesses did just as much to pay for all that infrastructure as anyone else.

The business owners do not operate their business in a vacuum. Without the consumer, there is no business. You are correct in that it is more than just the consumer and owner. What I was getting at is that it isn't just the owner, which is what Obama was saying.
 
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Then I suppose Obama also claims that no one is really responsible for his or her failures too. That also is the result of other people. We are all just workers of the big ant hive, also born to live and die serving the hive.

Only malcontent evil people claim any individuality or lack of life obligation to the good of the hive.

first you call Obama a Fascist.

now he's a malcontent. do you have anything of substance to say about him or just gonna make stupid attacks?
 
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The business owners do not operate their business in a vacuum.

Is this the latest Leftist talking point? How many times has this been used in this thread?

Without the consumer, there is no business. You just confirmed what I said that it takes more than the owners.

Without consumer demand. If a business owner meets that demand, he purdy much did that on his own.
 
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first you call Obama a Fascist.

now he's a malcontent. do you have anything of substance to say about him or just gonna make stupid attacks?

By, "substance", do you mean agree with everything he says?
 
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