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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that." [W:417]

    Quote Originally Posted by Masada View Post
    Also, you are 100% wrong about the states setting up the exchanges. If that were true, states would be able to "opt out" of Obamacare, which they cannot do. The states were able to opt out of the Medicaid requirement, and the federal government (the liberal dictators), tried to force them to accept that requirement. They did so by saying that if the states didn't go along with the Medicaid provisions, then the feds would cut off ALL Medicaid funds to the state. But as you know, the Supreme Court over ruled the government on that as well.
    It appears that you haven't followed the news, let alone read and/or comprehended the law. States all over the country are in the process of setting up exchanges ... except for those who have opted not to (like, e.g. Florida). They are supposed to set up their own exchanges, but if they do not then their residents can take advantage of the federally-created exchange.

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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that." [W:417]

    Quote Originally Posted by washunut View Post
    And you can keep reapplying all the lipstick you want on that pig, it doesn't get any prettier.
    And you can keep ignoring the second half of his sentence, but it doesn't make it go away -- or do much for your credibility.
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that." [W:417]

    Quote Originally Posted by Masada View Post
    And this is how stupid his comment was. It shows his utter ignorance for what makes a successful business successful.

    Let me put it in terms you might understand. Roads and bridges do not make a company or small business successful. If they did, every single business would be successful, because there is a road in front of virtually every business in America. My business doesn't succeed simply because there is a road outside, or a bridge nearby, and it doesn't succeed because we have a government that builds new roads and bridges. Does it contribute at all? Sure, but it's miniscule, and I mean miniscule. Because of the internet, I don't need the government built roads near as much as I used to. But of course, Obama tries to give most of the credit to the government for the invention of the internet too. One liberal even claims he invented the internet.....cough cough
    I think you have missed the point. Obama NEVER said that roads and bridges made any businesses or made them successful. He suggested that they have CONTRIBUTED to the ability of the business to succeed(along with schools and a myriad of other factors). Also, Obama cites roads and schools in this speech, but he is actually alluding to government in general(military, roads, public schools, judicial system, police, regulatory bodies etc etc.) when he is making the case for collective participation. And if you think all of these things have contributed in a miniscule way to your ability to succeed in business, you are gravely mistaken. I too am a business owner. I have spent a lot of my life travelling and living in developing nations and I give thanks every day to all of the millions of ways that previous Americans and previous(and current)American govenment programs and initiatives have made it easier for my business to succeed. But keep on patting yourself on the back and downplaying the millions of interconnected ways in which you have benefited from collective efforts of others, both current and past.
    And as to your reference to Al Gore inventing the internet. I think it is really sad when otherwise intelligent people interpret everything through a filter of bias. Do your homework on this issue and I think you'll see that this was a bit of a gaffe on his part which was taken out of context and put into spin mode by his detractors. He was clearly referring to the bills that he co-sponsored as a senator to fund the laying down of high-speed internet connections between universities etc. He was most definitively not intending to claim that he alone invented the internet. But, once again, if believing that is what he intended to imply makes you feel better, then keep on believing it.

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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that." [W:417]

    Quote Originally Posted by Paratrooper View Post
    My problem with the "You didn't build that" rhetoric, is if external factors made a business successful, why isn't everyone a successful business owner? Why isn't every man/woman sitting on a street corner begging for change, a successful business owner?
    Obama never implied in any way that it was only external factors that made a business successful. In fact, if you read his speech, and listen to speeches he has made in the past, you will see that he actually very strongly believes in individual initiative and effort and believes it is central to the creation of business. All Obama said was that we need to begin challenging this growing notion among many conservative business owners that "they created it all by themselves with no help from anyone else". He merely challenging the notion that businesses don't need government. He is not challenging the notion that government needs business or that personal initiative isn't key.

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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that." [W:417]

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    Obama wasn't saying "business owners didn't build their businesses".

    he was saying that we ALL, together, pitched in to build roads & bridges.

    we ALL pitched in with either tax dollars, management & design of the project, or the actual labor.
    And to what purpose is he saying it? Or is he talking just to be heard?
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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that." [W:417]

    Quote Originally Posted by Masada View Post
    Also, you are 100% wrong about the states setting up the exchanges.
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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that." [W:417]

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    So, what is the point of having said it then? Why even bring it up? It's a given that the ability to succeed is an integral part of the American "dream". If Obama was not intending to downplay the efforts of businessmen (or more probably, a certain businessman) why even say it?
    I personally think he WAS attempting to downplay the efforts of businessman and to lift up the efforts/affects of the community. I've been saying that from the beginning.

    However, the "community" aspect doesn't have to mean JUST government.

    It would appear the "point of saying it" is to suggest that there is a shared success and shared responsability in America and as such there needs to be shared burden and and those who have benefited most from those shared efforts should be the ones giving back the most to the whole. Which is kind of part of what he's been arguing since 2008 and before. The "point of saying it" is that it is continued push and theme of his general notion that it is the governments responsability to make sure that those who are most successfull are facilitating the success of those below in a way that Obama deems appropriate.

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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that." [W:417]

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    I personally think he WAS attempting to downplay the efforts of businessman and to lift up the efforts/affects of the community. I've been saying that from the beginning.

    However, the "community" aspect doesn't have to mean JUST government.

    It would appear the "point of saying it" is to suggest that there is a shared success and shared responsability in America and as such there needs to be shared burden and and those who have benefited most from those shared efforts should be the ones giving back the most to the whole. Which is kind of part of what he's been arguing since 2008 and before. The "point of saying it" is that it is continued push and theme of his general notion that it is the governments responsability to make sure that those who are most successfull are facilitating the success of those below in a way that Obama deems appropriate.
    No it does not have to mean just government. Had anyone else said it. I believe that IS what Obama meant.
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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that." [W:417]

    Quote Originally Posted by Aberration View Post
    And to what purpose is he saying it? Or is he talking just to be heard?
    he sure wasn't accusing business people of not creating their business, I can tell you that.

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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that." [W:417]

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    he sure wasn't accusing business people of not creating their business, I can tell you that.
    No he was just saying they didn't do it on their own. Not much difference.
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