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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that." [W:417]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    No, implying that the idea it was better than wasn't a very effective idea. Again, all words should be read together.
    OK, you're backpedaling, but I'm not going to worry about it. Carry on.
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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that." [W:417]

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    OK, you're backpedaling, but I'm not going to worry about it. Carry on.
    Nope. I'm asking you to read for meaning. It helps, trust me.

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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that." [W:417]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    To a point that is true. But the advantage shifts. It favors the employee when there are other places competiting. And it favors the business when there isn't. Largely it is good when one has too much of an advantage. But what I tried to point out is that the only way to bring them back is to seriously change how we live. We will have to resemble the countries they are out sourcing to. A friend of mind, a very conservative person, calls it the Mexicanaizing of America. Unless the pednulum shifts back toward the worker, we will see the standard of living shrink even more. I merely argue this isn't good for us as a country. I wish I had a magic solution to the problem. But we should not pretend that something like taxes or any simple solution will reverse the trend.
    True there is no simple solution to the problem. As a nation we have embraced the lower prices consumers are rewarded through this globalization. The flip side is that the workers that are vulnerable to this have a ton of competition and competition that is willing to work for much less. This issue is no longer confined to factory workers. Now you can have people in India or elsewhere read x-rays and send the results to a doctor back in the states. I have a neighbor who works for IBM in a growing segment of their business. His group has pretty much said they will no longer high or replace people here in the US, to expensive.

    We do live in a nation of relative high productivity which should help maintain wages in some industries, but not all.

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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that." [W:417]

    Quote Originally Posted by washunut View Post
    True there is no simple solution to the problem. As a nation we have embraced the lower prices consumers are rewarded through this globalization. The flip side is that the workers that are vulnerable to this have a ton of competition and competition that is willing to work for much less. This issue is no longer confined to factory workers. Now you can have people in India or elsewhere read x-rays and send the results to a doctor back in the states. I have a neighbor who works for IBM in a growing segment of their business. His group has pretty much said they will no longer high or replace people here in the US, to expensive.

    We do live in a nation of relative high productivity which should help maintain wages in some industries, but not all.
    I think the gap will grow because of this. I don't think that is a good thing.

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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that." [W:417]

    Quote Originally Posted by washunut View Post
    To the best of my knowledge when you say that a political party took a stated position of blocking every one of said leaders actions, that is simply untrue. I do remember the lead senator of the republican party saying something stupid like that, not the entire party including the leader of the house of representatives.
    No, when I say a political party took that stated position, that's exactly what I meant ...

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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that." [W:417]

    Quote Originally Posted by washunut View Post
    Not sure if you know this but no one is turned away from health care if they need it. That is Obama's key line to sell his mandate.

    You need to do a better job of remembering the talking points before writing nonsense on this site.
    It's not a talking point. What you are speaking of is emergency room care. As of 1986 (if I recall correctly), legislation was passed which denies emergency rooms from turning away patients just because they can't afford to pay.

    That is not healthcare.

    Try getting chemotherapy to help combat cancer in an emergency room.

    Try getting an emergency room to provide you with monthly prescriptions for whatever ailment it is which requires them.

    Furthermore, tax payers currently flip the bill for folks who rely on emergency room care for their quasi-healthcare but then refuse to pay for it. Now those taxes will be collected via Obama's healthcare plan.

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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that." [W:417]

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    More ignorance..

    "Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness" does not imply that healthcare is guaranteed, nor paid for by the taxpayer for others who can't afford it. Life in that statement is addressing the right to live without the fear of someone violating your rights. Military acts to protects this purpose in that quote while healthcare does not.
    Healthcare absolutely does preserve it. Or more accurately, its goal is to preserve it.

    And I didn't say it guarantees it. That's your switching words because you can't deal with what I actually said. I said was that healthcare is a basic human right and its main purpose is to preserve life. Nothing in life is guaranteed.

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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that." [W:417]

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    Healthcare absolutely does preserve it. Or more accurately, its goal is to preserve it.
    More and more failure and this time at reading. Lets try this again and maybe this time you can read it before you comment. Life in that statement is addressing it in such a way to protect you from outside aggression from others towards your life. This what murder laws are shaped around and what the military serves to protect. Healthcare does not fall under this umbrella. Take a a moment and read every word I wrote here and then allow yourself a moment to ponder over it. After all that is done do what you will.

    And I'm sorry but healthcare coverage would be guaranteed, so yes, you did imply access to the service. Want to try again there too?
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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that." [W:417]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I think the gap will grow because of this. I don't think that is a good thing.
    WILL narrow?


    No.

    IS narrowed. We are now, already, a service nation. Retail workers outnumber any other worker, and most other workers, combined. They are the only thing that can't be outsourced. SOMEONE has to stock the shelves of all the made in China/Taiwan products, and SOMEONE has to show their face at a store when a customer has a question/comment/complaint. And those people already outnumber any other sector. We outnumber autoworkers, factory workers, coal minors, public employees, etc.

    Solution? Screw me if I know. I don't think there is one, except to wait it out, which will take our lifetimes, and most of our childrens lifetimes...and then, China, or any other job sourcing nation, will have a work force just as spoiled as us, wanting, expecting, demanding just as much money for service rendered as we do...at which point, the jobs will come back.

    In the meantime, it's retail jobs it is, for most of you/us. Which makes me happy, because once of few more of you have DONE these jobs, maybe you'll be a bit more polite to the others doing these jobs that you encounter while you're shopping. People always decry customer service and retail jobs as not really coveted, not really great careers, etc. And you know why? Because of the A-holes we have to deal with on a daily basis....which is to say, customers. If it weren't for people, customer service fields would be perfectly good jobs, lol. Decent benefits, full time schedule, competitive pay, 401ks with company match, etc.
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    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that." [W:417]

    As to health care...the Affordable Health Care Act, at no point, in any way, addresses health care. It addresses health insurance.

    Why do we need health insurance in the first place, folks?
    Quote Originally Posted by calamity View Post
    Reports indicate that everyone knew he was hauling a bunch of guns up there. But, since you brought it up, there's something which should be illegal: guns that breakdown.

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