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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that." [W:417]

    Quote Originally Posted by canes View Post
    i think obama is the truth, congress wont let him execute his plan to restore the country. republican media is brainwashing the nation, the only thing they do is skew obamas message, republicans are only for them selves and big buisness and look how that has worked out we are still suffering from it and the bush administration and that is the cold hard truth, and if u follow jesus and the good lord u know the truth sets u free and all real people should realize that

    Obama couldn't "restore the country" even if the Democrats regained control of the House of Representatives.

    The nation's unemployment problems are due to manufacturing jobs being sent to China. We could get some of those jobs back......if the unions agree to 30 to 40 percent pay cuts.

    Can Obama talk some sense into the union crowd and get them to accept these pay cuts?

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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that." [W:417]

    Quote Originally Posted by johnny_rebson View Post
    Obama couldn't "restore the country" even if the Democrats regained control of the House of Representatives.

    The nation's unemployment problems are due to manufacturing jobs being sent to China. We could get some of those jobs back......if the unions agree to 30 to 40 percent pay cuts.

    Can Obama talk some sense into the union crowd and get them to accept these pay cuts?
    You did hit on something. If we'll work for significantly lower wages and remove health care from employment, we could bring some back. How little should we be willing to work for?

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that." [W:417]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    You did hit on something. If we'll work for significantly lower wages and remove health care from employment, we could bring some back. How little should we be willing to work for?
    How much should a wheat farmer sell wheat for?
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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that." [W:417]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    You did hit on something. If we'll work for significantly lower wages and remove health care from employment, we could bring some back. How little should we be willing to work for?
    You should work for whatever you can get. Some might have to make sacrifices. There could be an increase in tenement style housing which could accommodate some of these workers.

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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that." [W:417]

    Quote Originally Posted by johnny_rebson View Post
    You should work for whatever you can get. Some might have to make sacrifices. There could be an increase in tenement style housing which could accommodate some of these workers.
    To a degree that is true. But, if your work doens't feed the family, and those wages won't, there's a problem. And overseas right now are lower than that. A better bet would be to have their salaries raise, or at least put our efforts there.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that." [W:417]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    To a degree that is true. But, if your work doens't feed the family, and those wages won't, there's a problem. And overseas right now are lower than that. A better bet would be to have their salaries raise, or at least put our efforts there.
    There is a fundamental failure in this train of thought that I doubt you even care about. I wager you don't actually care that the world market actually exists, do you? In fact, I would wager you want to put policies on people so your polices follow them.
    Last edited by Henrin; 07-22-12 at 10:02 PM.

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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that." [W:417]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Then argue to make them not destructive.
    I do, and am accused of arguing based on ideology and refusing to compromise.

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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that." [W:417]

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    I do, and am accused of arguing based on ideology and refusing to compromise.
    Surely there is a compromise in there somewhere, a better than what you get without it. It is always posisble that any of us actually don't see the world clearly. Sure, genocide, take a no give in stands. Legislation that works to solve a problem? no. Compromise.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that." [W:417]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    To a degree that is true. But, if your work doens't feed the family, and those wages won't, there's a problem. And overseas right now are lower than that.
    Well, there is that problem. But just because we wish it were otherwise, it doesn't mean that the labor market is where we think it should be. The days of high-wage manufacturing jobs appear to be over.

    A better bet would be to have their salaries raise, or at least put our efforts there.
    And how do we do that?
    Last edited by Harshaw; 07-22-12 at 11:38 PM.
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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that." [W:417]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    You did hit on something. If we'll work for significantly lower wages and remove health care from employment, we could bring some back. How little should we be willing to work for?
    Interesting way to look at it. I always felt it was up to the company to decide what they thought was reasonable pay for a position and it was up to the person to decide if they thought that was their true value. If the two don't match there are choices to be made by both.

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