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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that." [W:417]

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    Perhaps you believe "Obama has shown to not care for these liberties or rights," but that doesn't make it so. It just makes it your opinion.
    Prove that he has by supporting what he has supported. Do you need a list?

    I know what liberty means, but I wonder if you do.
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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that." [W:417]

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    Seems to me that healthcare is a basic human right and not one reserved only to those who can afford it.
    That is perhaps the most idiotic comment I have heard all week. Healthcare is service that is provided to by other people that takes money to exist and money to be provided. It is not a right in any stretch of the imagination. Rights do NOT take the labor of others and surely do not take money to even exist and be provided. With such a measurement anything you decide is a right and that is not a way to determine anything of value. You have shown your lack of ability to understand fundamental ideas with such ignorant statements.
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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that." [W:417]

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post

    That is perhaps the most idiotic comment I have heard all week. Healthcare is service that is provided to by other people that takes money to exist and money to be provided. It is not a right in any stretch of the imagination. Rights do NOT take the labor of others and surely do not take money to even exist and be provided. With such a measurement anything you decide is a right and that is not a way to determine anything of value. You have shown your lack of ability to understand fundamental ideas with such ignorant statements.
    From my seat, you're the one lacking in understanding.

    The Declaration of Independence states,
    "... they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men"

    The main purpose of healthcare is to preserve life and the government is instituted to secure these rights.

    Your claim could just as easily be made about the military and how it is a service provided by others, yet it too is to preserve our unalienable rights enumerated in the Declaration of Independence and secured by the government.
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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that." [W:417]

    Isn't "If you and the government build it, they will come" a little long winded, and apparently politically incorrect?
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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that."

    Quote Originally Posted by Sphere View Post
    So NBC, ABC, CBS, MSNBC, CNN, & CNN Headline news, all of these are not credible news sources either?
    They may be credible occasionally. News should be news. Opinion should be opinion. I do flip through those channels every now and then. I only stop to watch and listen in order to keep my disgust fresh.

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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that." [W:417]

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    I'm not a republican and could never dream myself as one when their is such vermin in their ranks that support what is their foundation of the platform. They are nothing like me, and like Obama I would have to refuse to go to the table when basic restraints are breached.

    So, you are part of the problem. We don't accomplish when paralyzed by ideology.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that." [W:417]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    So, you are part of the problem. We don't accomplish when paralyzed by ideology.
    We don't act when paralyzed. If the acts that would happen when not paralyzed are actually destructive, paralysis by ideology is preferable.

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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that." [W:417]

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    We don't act when paralyzed. If the acts that would happen when not paralyzed are actually destructive, paralysis by ideology is preferable.
    Then argue to make them not destructive. I'm not convinced many here who argue for nonaction know what is and isn't destructive. But, elected officials have an obligation to participate and not pout.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that." [W:417]

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    From my seat, you're the one lacking in understanding.

    The Declaration of Independence states,
    "... they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men"

    The main purpose of healthcare is to preserve life and the government is instituted to secure these rights.

    Your claim could just as easily be made about the military and how it is a service provided by others, yet it too is to preserve our unalienable rights enumerated in the Declaration of Independence and secured by the government.
    More ignorance..

    "Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness" does not imply that healthcare is guaranteed, nor paid for by the taxpayer for others who can't afford it. Life in that statement is addressing the right to live without the fear of someone violating your rights. Military acts to protects this purpose in that quote while healthcare does not.

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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that." [W:417]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    So, you are part of the problem. We don't accomplish when paralyzed by ideology.
    You act to paralyze, to punish, and to control the people. I have no other course that is acceptable than to not work with you to those ends.
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