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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that." [W:417]

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Really? 20? 20?!

    Well, that makes all the difference.
    That's quite a bold comment from someone who said it was "a" Republican and that "all others" opposed the idea.

    Also, it was 20 out of 43 GOP Senators. So while you pretend like it was one lone rogue GOPer, it was actually nearly half of the Senate's GOP. And the Republican sponsored bill died in committee, not because it didn't have GOP support but because it didn't have enough Democrat support in the Democrat-led Senate.

    Despite your failed attempts to dismiss the mandate as the Republican plan, that's exactly what it was. It was the GOP's idea for healthcare to counter Clinton's ideas for Healthcare. Neither went anywhere, but please, don't even try to pretend that the mandate wasn't a GOP idea. Hell, it's the same plan that [Republican] Mitt Romney passed in Massachusetts.

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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that." [W:417]

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Since we are educating the newbie why don't you tell him that your posts never meet the standards of proof you try to impose on others
    I'm still waiting TurtleDude. Still waiting for something other than two sentence talking-points and insults. Politics is complex so let's see you dig a little deeper to prove your beliefs.

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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that." [W:417]

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    You did, you cited something you oppose as the reason for success.



    And I answered it. Business would exist in this country regardless of its govt or the military that protects it.
    No, it wouldn't and it never has. But do feel free to try and prove it rather than repeating your fallacy ad nauseum. That would be a nice change for you.

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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that." [W:417]

    Quote Originally Posted by zeusomally View Post
    I'm still waiting TurtleDude. Still waiting for something other than two sentence talking-points and insults. Politics is complex so let's see you dig a little deeper to prove your beliefs.
    Forget trying to get any proof or sources from TurtleDude. His goal is to humilate and dehumanize, not debate because fact, logic and reason are rarely on his side.
    Last edited by Moot; 07-22-12 at 01:39 AM.

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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that." [W:417]

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    That's quite a bold comment from someone who said it was "a" Republican and that "all others" opposed the idea.

    Also, it was 20 out of 43 GOP Senators. So while you pretend like it was one lone rogue GOPer, it was actually nearly half of the Senate's GOP. And the Republican sponsored bill died in committee, not because it didn't have GOP support but because it didn't have enough Democrat support in the Democrat-led Senate.

    Despite your failed attempts to dismiss the mandate as the Republican plan, that's exactly what it was. It was the GOP's idea for healthcare to counter Clinton's ideas for Healthcare. Neither went anywhere, but please, don't even try to pretend that the mandate wasn't a GOP idea. Hell, it's the same plan that [Republican] Mitt Romney passed in Massachusetts.
    Sorry Mac, but the Sheik is dead on. The idea of the individual mandate was actually first proposed in the lat 80s by, gasp, the very conservative Heritage Foundation! Romney included it in his Massachusetts plan and many conservatives have promoted it over the years. It was a conservative baby, but as soon Obama decided to adopt it they all ran away screaming that it was a Monster. It's not a socialist program, but a market-based approach and the Republicans should be big fans of it.
    Let's be honest with one another, Republicans are just ticked because they don't want to see Obamacare succeed(as many of them secretly fear it will) 'cause it'll just be one more example(clean air act, clean water act, social security,desegregation, voting rights act etc.) of Conservatives failing to have the nuttsack to actually implement what the Progressives have. You guys shot down HillaryCare and then proceeded to take the Presidency and both chambers of the house for 6 consecutive years and you squandered it all on foreign wars and tax cuts for the wealthy as our healthcare system continued to worsen. Shame on all of you for playing politics with something so essential to the health and well-being of our citizens and the economy.

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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that." [W:417]

    Quote Originally Posted by zeusomally View Post
    Sorry Mac, but the Sheik is dead on. The idea of the individual mandate was actually first proposed in the lat 80s by, gasp, the very conservative Heritage Foundation! Romney included it in his Massachusetts plan and many conservatives have promoted it over the years. It was a conservative baby, but as soon Obama decided to adopt it they all ran away screaming that it was a Monster. It's not a socialist program, but a market-based approach and the Republicans should be big fans of it.
    Let's be honest with one another, Republicans are just ticked because they don't want to see Obamacare succeed(as many of them secretly fear it will) 'cause it'll just be one more example(clean air act, clean water act, social security,desegregation, voting rights act etc.) of Conservatives failing to have the nuttsack to actually implement what the Progressives have. You guys shot down HillaryCare and then proceeded to take the Presidency and both chambers of the house for 6 consecutive years and you squandered it all on foreign wars and tax cuts for the wealthy as our healthcare system continued to worsen. Shame on all of you for playing politics with something so essential to the health and well-being of our citizens and the economy.
    It's party before country for the GOP.

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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that." [W:417]

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Forget trying to get any proof or sources from TurtleDude. His goal is to humilate and dehumanize, not debate because fact, logic and reason are rarely on his side.
    Yeah, I've run across quite a few of those in here. It's so refreshing for me to get someone who disagrees with my Liberal viewpoints, but is willing to actually have a reasoned debate on the issue. I found a couple of them, but folks like the Turtleguy are just here to shytt in the water-just like you'd expect a turtle to do!

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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that." [W:417]

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    No leader can work with a political party which publicly takes the stated position of blocking every one of said leader's actions,

    That is not a reflection on Obama's leadership skills but a reflection on Republican values -- which remain, party before country.
    In order to come to the table they have to believe you are doing things in good faith. They doubt this about you.

    As for me, I would almost never come to the table with people like yourself as there is simply no starting point to be had.

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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that." [W:417]

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    In order to come to the table they have to believe you are doing things in good faith. They doubt this about you.

    As for me, I would almost never come to the table with people like yourself as there is simply no starting point to be had.
    if we're talking about elected leaders, you would be betraying your duty.

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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that." [W:417]

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    In order to come to the table they have to believe you are doing things in good faith. They doubt this about you.

    As for me, I would almost never come to the table with people like yourself as there is simply no starting point to be had.
    What Sheik said wasn't about you, so why did you take it personally unless you also put party before country?

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