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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that." [W:417]

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Oh so now you are talking about local roads and state things-not the things Oblama uses to justify higher FEDERAL taxes


    most of the sales taxes paid by the bottom 30% comes from money GIVEN to them by the government which gets that money from people like ME. So in reality I am paying for their "contributions"

    NOT THEM

    the bottom 20% get three dollars from the federal government for every dollar they actually make

    the top one percent are paying an effective tax rate of about 28C on every dollar they make

    its not until you hit the top 40% that there is a net tax payment rather than a negative tax payment (meaning money back)
    Oh geesh. I get so tired of these argument that say that the guy earning 300,000 a year and only getting to keep 200,000 of it for personal use(ie. vacation homes, fancy cars, maids, gardeners and yachts) is somehow getting a raw deal over the person who makes 20,000 a year and gets to keep a whopping 15,000 of it for personal use(ie pay for food, rent, transportation, clothing and a few small luxuries). That means the guy earning the 300G can afford to buy a new house, IN CASH, nearly every frickin' year of almost his entire life and the guy making 20G will probably NEVER be able to purchase a house in his entire lifetime. Cry me a river for the 300k guy! The ultra wealthy are paying less in taxes than they have in decades, so why are so many people demanding they pay even less?! It just makes no sense, neither moral nor economic.
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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that." [W:417]

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    we should all be hostile to tyranny over the mind of man, and LYING about your opponent to get votes is tyranny.
    What does it say about us when we are eager and willing to believe ANYTHING BAD said about the politicians we don't like.
    It is laziness at the least, especially when there is so much truth that is even more damaging. But a lot of politicians have so many skeletons in their closets that they have to be careful what they say as backlash is always a possibility.
    Clear enough?
    Okay. Nothing there I can disagree with. Carry on.

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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that." [W:417]

    Quote Originally Posted by zeusomally View Post
    okay, let's talk aboutit. Examples and evidence(facts would be nice) to back up your assertion. Thank you, TurtleDude
    You are new here. Allow me to help. You know the joke how a cleaning service will tell you that they don't do windows? That is a lot like Turtle with evidence.

    But keep asking. I do. WHo knows - maybe someday somehow..... probably right after somebody captures a real unicorn.
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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that." [W:417]

    Quote Originally Posted by zeusomally View Post
    Oh geesh. I get so tired of these argument that say that the guy earning 300,000 a year and only getting to keep 200,000 of it for personal use(ie. vacation homes, fancy cars, maids, gardeners and yachts) is somehow getting a raw deal over the person who makes 20,000 a year and gets to keep a whopping 15,000 of it for personal use(ie pay for food, rent, transportation, clothing and a few small luxuries). That means the guy earning the 300G can afford to buy a new house, IN CASH, nearly every frickin' year of almost his entire life and the guy making 20G will probably NEVER be able to purchase a house in his entire lifetime. Cry me a river for the 300k guy! The ultra wealthy are paying less in taxes than they have in decades, so why are so many people demanding they pay even less?! It just makes no sense, neither moral nor economic.
    that is because you believe in FROM EACH ACCORDING TO THEIR ABILITY

    I do not

    I think taxes should be based on what you get for what you pay more than how much you can afford

    and if those who demand much government actually had to pay more for that, they might stop demanding so much government

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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that." [W:417]

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    You are new here. Allow me to help. You know the joke how a cleaning service will tell you that they don't do windows? That is a lot like Turtle with evidence.

    But keep asking. I do. WHo knows - maybe someday somehow..... probably right after somebody captures a real unicorn.

    Since we are educating the newbie why don't you tell him that your posts never meet the standards of proof you try to impose on others

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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that." [W:417]

    Quote Originally Posted by johnny_rebson View Post
    Romney is a RINO.
    But he ain't Obama, right?
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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that." [W:417]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    What we need is the understanding that good work comes through compromise.
    What is "good work"?
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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that." [W:417]

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    What is "good work"?
    Problem solving, a functioning government. I realize that to support government doesn't work, there is a need to sabotage the process. But, to reach conclusions, and do the people's work, which they were hired to do, compromise is neccesary.

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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that." [W:417]

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    Sounds like you are saying that Democrats are more willing to compromise and work with the other party than are Republicans.


    No, what I am saying is that a true leader can find a way to work with his whole team. Not a dem or republican thing.

    What most on this site do not understand is that the best CEOs work with and take the advise of the people working for them. This basic concept of good business, or good anything is what Obama seems to lack any understanding of.

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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that." [W:417]

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post



    No, but then, that has nothing to do with what I said either. Are you also deflecting from what I said in order to avoid answering my question?
    No. I just think it funny how far people will go. Even so far as lauding that which they personally oppose.

    Business can, does, has and will exist and thrive with or without govt. It's that simple.

    Does that mean there is no place for govt? Hell no, but the govt Obama wants is not the govt that got America where it is. Obama wants the kind of govt that is destroying Europe.
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