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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that." [W:417]

    Quote Originally Posted by johnny_rebson View Post
    What branch of the military did Obama serve in?
    What the hell does that have to do with this debate....come on, you cannot possible be this transparent intentionally.

    Where did Your guy serve...and how many drone strikes, Osama killings, international conflicts has he had to deal with.

    Before you bash your own President...try to imagine what yoou would do...let alone what Romney would, hell I still cant figure out his healthcare stance.

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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that." [W:417]

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    I realize it. If I had my way I would increase the taxes of every American who earns dollar one by five points across the board.

    I would agree with the above. My sense if everyone really had skin in the game both sides would have incentive for the real tax reform, noth personal and corporate taxes that the country needs.

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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that." [W:417]

    Quote Originally Posted by Romulus View Post
    That 75% figure is the average of all monies (municipal, county, state, and federal). 93.5% of federal interstate revenue comes from that 18.4 cents you pay on every gallon of gas. You'd have to raise income taxes by allot to pay for our highways...I'm talking like 100%.



    Come to think of it...you're right. No private organization could handle the coordination between the states, the massive technical challenge of setting standards for construction, engineering, and safety needed to build the enormous highway, bridge, and infrastructure system we have in the U.S. Such an organization...because it's private...would be ripe with greed and corruption. Anarchy would certainly follow...death and destruction on the highways, Armageddon would ensue. Allowing a private firm to make those decisions will surely break the 7th seal of the apocalypse.

    Wait..you ever heard of AASHTO?

    They do all those things you're worried about, and they do it FOR the feds. They, of course, are non-governmental.
    I don't think AASHTO is in charge of allocating billions of dollars to private contractors so....Also, government DOT reps make the decisions and call the final shots in this particular organization so I think, at best, we can call it a quasi-governmental agency. I don't think it is a particularly good example. But I do not necessarily disagree with your larger point that there may be some government programs that could be best implemented by the private sector. I just have have some serious qualms about most of them because I never like to see a system in which the needs of a private company(profits!, profits and more profits!) can become dyametrically opposed to the needs(service, service, service!) that the citizenry deserves.
    Allow me to give you an example that I experienced first hand not all that long ago and, interestingly, it deals with roads.
    About 10 years ago I drove down into Mexico to do some surfing in some small communities to the south of the city of Manzanillo, Mexico. There was one of two routes to get to these cities:an old windy mountain road that wound through small towns and took forever, but eventually popped out NEAR the small beach towns and a newer road that the Mexican government permitted a private company to construct that went right across all the flatlands near the beach. But the whole thing was privately managed, which meant that the company put toll booths up along the way. And they were expensive(like 5-8 dollars a pop if I remember correctly), and that was SUPER expensive for the Mexicans(more than many of them make in a day just for ONE of the booths!). So why such super high prices? When you look at the math from the private company's perspective it probably looked like this:
    If we charge 2.50$ a car at each station, 2000 people will travel on the road each day, but if we charge $5 at each station only 1000 vehicles will make the journey. So what is the most logical decision for us? Obviously it is to charge the higher amount, make the same amount of money as we would have made at the lower rate, but we'll be way ahead because that will result in half the wear and tear on the roads which will just translate to more profit for us! Perfect business sense, and the company would be foolish not to make this decision.
    The problem, of course, is that this business decision by the road company ran completely counter to the interests of the entire economy of that entire stretch of beach because it cost them gobs of money in the decrease of tourist traffic that came their way from the cities. In fact, I would bet my last dime that those higher toll rates(optimized for profit, not traffic) caused much more in economic loss to the communities than it resulted in economic gain for the private road company. It's just a classic example of how the interests of the economy at large can be harmed by the privatization of what, I believe, should be government run.

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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that." [W:417]

    Obama was right, business-owners didn't build those roads & bridges.

    Their tax-dollars may have helped pay for them, but they themselves didn't build them.

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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that." [W:417]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I guess when the truth won't work, this is all your side has left.
    yeah that is why obama and his toadies whine about Mitt having a swiss bank account or that he personally outsourced jobs

    Lets talk about the truth of Obama being completely inept and an failure

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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that." [W:417]

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    Obama was right, business-owners didn't build those roads & bridges.

    Their tax-dollars may have helped pay for them, but they themselves didn't build them.
    nor did the government. the government took taxes from private entities and paid others to build the road

    but what people are missing is that Oblama is trying to justify taking more and more from a few and justifying it all the specious claim that those who prosper somehow deserve to pay more taxes while those who use the infrastructure but are failures or slackers do not have to pay more

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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that." [W:417]

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    How successful would any business in America be without the government providing a military to defend this great nation?
    So, you're big on military spending then?
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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that." [W:417]

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    yeah that is why obama and his toadies whine about Mitt having a swiss bank account or that he personally outsourced jobs

    Lets talk about the truth of Obama being completely inept and an failure
    No, that's politics. I have stated often I wouldn't take any political ad seriously. That you do, well, that reflects you and not me.
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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that." [W:417]

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    Obama was right, business-owners didn't build those roads & bridges.

    Their tax-dollars may have helped pay for them, but they themselves didn't build them.
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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that." [W:417]

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    yeah that is why obama and his toadies whine about Mitt having a swiss bank account or that he personally outsourced jobs

    Lets talk about the truth of Obama being completely inept and an failure
    You write as if one cancels out the reality of the other. Perhaps you should read up on logical fallacies?
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