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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that." [W:417]

    Quote Originally Posted by Romulus View Post
    Where he lacks leadership on issues that matter, he has a preference towards hotwings at aimless beer summits over trivial issues.
    Thanks. You really helped everyone understand the very serious issues that we are confronted with today. You're a real political genius there Romulus!

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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that." [W:417]

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    I agree that Obama has handled this issue very poorly. He said one thing and did another on tax raises. He backed down at least twice when he drew the line and then let the other side convince him to retreat and wave the white flag.

    There is nothing to be proud of in the Obama tax record on tax increases.

    The time is now to change. We need to let the Bush/Obama tax cuts expire across the board.
    I doubt even the demorats want that, you do realize that is a 50% increase in the bottom bracket rate; from 10% to 15%.
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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that." [W:417]

    Quote Originally Posted by Dion View Post
    This is the transcript of what Obama actually said. He is exactly right ... America is strong because we have been a mixed economy.



    Fox knows what he is saying and in your mind ... you all know he is exactly correct and that Mitt Romney would agree with this. The alchemists at Fox infotainment were just playing the indoctrinated citizens again!

    I have to give credit to Obama for one thing, he knows that Gore didn't invent the internet.

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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that." [W:417]

    Quote Originally Posted by zeusomally View Post
    I am new to this thread and have noted that I have the option to "like" only some of the posts, and not others. Is there a reason for this? I can't find any pattern to it.
    try refreshing the page, or try again later, it's just a glitch.....
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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that." [W:417]

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    I think you should learn about the two ideas as evidenced by the following statement and this one..



    That argument you just made has it roots in the socialist movement. What it says is the market has an obligation to meet some higher purpose than it lies out. That a certain service is unfit or unfair to the people if the market runs it as such and such service has a high importance to the people and the society as a whole so we as a society can't afford it to be left to the businessman. It's entirely rooted in the movement itself. You might have noticed that Obama used it when talking about healthcare.



    No, that is the argument for taxes made by those like yourself.
    I know perfectly well what the two ideas represent and I still contend that the two of them(capitalism and socialism) can, have and should continue to coexist as a counterbalance against one another.
    We've successfully pulled that very system off for generations in this country! It's not new. It's not radical. What's new and radical is the move by the right to destroy government so that it can no longer act as an intermediary between the free market and the well-being of the citizenry.

    Also, I am not sure I understood your "argument for taxes made by those like youself" statement when you referenced my Marxism comment. It was a bit lacking in specificity but am I to take it that you mean by my supporting a progressive tax system I am a Marxist?

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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that." [W:417]

    Quote Originally Posted by zeusomally View Post
    I know perfectly well what the two ideas represent and I still contend that the two of them(capitalism and socialism) can, have and should continue to coexist as a counterbalance against one another.
    That's not what you said. You said you could be a socialist an a capitalist at the same time. No. You cannot.
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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that." [W:417]

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    I doubt even the demorats want that, you do realize that is a 50% increase in the bottom bracket rate; from 10% to 15%.
    I think the bottom 50% could live with that. And I imagine it would be even less painful(yeah, that's right, I used the word "painful"!) for the top 5% who would see there income go up even further.
    Also, I will need to check the numbers again to verify it, but a good number of those in the bottom 50% are actually in a position that they could absorb some more taxes, but many of those in the bottom 50% pay so little, or no taxes at all, that rolling back the BTCs would impact them very minimally.

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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that." [W:417]

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    That's not what you said. You said you could be a socialist an a capitalist at the same time. No. You cannot.
    It is not possible to be 100% socialist and 100% capitalist at the same time and I did not intend to imply that was so. If I did, it was sloppy writing on my part. It is, however, possible to support elements of socialism and capitalism in the same economic system. In other words, you can embrace elements of both systems. And, most importantly, the two do not necessarily work at odds with one another if balanced correctly. Does that clarify my standing for you?

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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that." [W:417]

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    That's not what you said. You said you could be a socialist an a capitalist at the same time. No. You cannot.
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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that." [W:417]

    Quote Originally Posted by johnny_rebson View Post
    I have to give credit to Obama for one thing, he knows that Gore didn't invent the internet.
    Gore never claimed to have invented the internet. Conservatives that say that keep believing it, not because it is true, but because it makes them feel good to believe it so. Here is a link to an article on the subject. FactCheck.org and a whole host of other media have disproven the claim. Just goes to show how difficult it is to stomp out misinformation once it has been disseminated.
    snopes.com: Al Gore Invented the Internet

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