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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that." [W:417]

    Quote Originally Posted by tecoyah View Post
    Excuse Me...Yes.


    "Cherry picking, suppressing evidence, or the fallacy of incomplete evidence is the act of pointing to individual cases or data that seem to confirm a particular position, while ignoring a significant portion of related cases or data that may contradict that position. It is a kind of fallacy of selective attention, the most common example of which is the confirmation bias. Cherry picking may be committed unintentionally.[1]"

    So...Taking a line, out of an entire speech to support your position, while dismissing the context it was placed in....would be called what exactly?

    Selective Quotation?
    Minimally interpretive word selection?
    Creative Sentence Manipulation?

    In my opinion...that is the perfect example of Cherry Picking.
    You can obfuscate Obama's thesis all you want, we know he is no Adam Smith or F.A. Hayek. He's a Keynesian with socialist tendencies whose epistemology has never been challenged within his academic bubble. Which is why he makes such highly exploitable flubs in speeches. His "clingers" comment, the "energy prices will necessarily rise" silliness..are all symptoms of his sheltered and frail intellect.

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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that." [W:417]

    Quote Originally Posted by zstep18 View Post
    So, then you're acknowledging that he didn't word it in the best way then?
    first words....
    so, then....redundant, you only need one of those words.
    last word....then
    again you are redundant.

    IOW, you didn't word your statement in the best way.
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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that." [W:417]

    Quote Originally Posted by Romulus View Post
    You can obfuscate Obama's thesis all you want, we know he is no Adam Smith or F.A. Hayek. He's a Keynesian with socialist tendencies whose epistemology has never been challenged within his academic bubble. Which is why he makes such highly exploitable flubs in speeches. His "clingers" comment, the "energy prices will necessarily rise" silliness..are all symptoms of his sheltered and frail intellect.
    Didn't I ask you to support a claim you made earlier?

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that." [W:417]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Didn't I ask you to support a claim you made earlier?
    I don't know, did you?

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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that." [W:417]

    Quote Originally Posted by Aberration View Post
    Why exclude any types of roads?
    Because if you're arguing that only government can get infrastructure built, you can't count anything the government doesn't get built to be "real" infrastructure.

    Funny how many places are named after people who built this stuff themselves, though. Places like Sneads Ferry, Harpers Landing, Miller's Bridge, Snow's Cut, all named after infrastructure built by private individuals (who then charged tolls for public use).
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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that." [W:417]

    Quote Originally Posted by Romulus View Post
    You can obfuscate Obama's thesis all you want, we know he is no Adam Smith or F.A. Hayek. He's a Keynesian with socialist tendencies whose epistemology has never been challenged within his academic bubble. Which is why he makes such highly exploitable flubs in speeches. His "clingers" comment, the "energy prices will necessarily rise" silliness..are all symptoms of his sheltered and frail intellect.
    more like an abundance of ignorance, AKA inadequate knowledge...

    intellect is not the same thing as knowledge, altho a case can probably be made for both being in short supply when it comes to politicians.
    One would think that a politician with intellect would know better than to attempt to discuss a topic about which they have no knowledge.
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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that." [W:417]

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    If you've done any significant public speaking at all, then you know how easy it is to be carried away when you're in your groove. That's what happened, I think, to the President. He said what he said, and call it a "slip of the tongue" or argue that what he said is being taken out of context as you please, but he did, in fact, say those very words.
    Have you ever heard of the phrase, "Winning isn't everything; its the only thing"? Now, if someone were to say that quote , I could just take the first part, "Winning isn't everything" and say the same thing you're saying now, that they, "did, in fact, say those words". Quoting out of context is a logical fallacy.
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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that." [W:417]

    Quote Originally Posted by Romulus View Post
    You can obfuscate Obama's thesis all you want, we know he is no Adam Smith or F.A. Hayek. He's a Keynesian with socialist tendencies whose epistemology has never been challenged within his academic bubble. Which is why he makes such highly exploitable flubs in speeches. His "clingers" comment, the "energy prices will necessarily rise" silliness..are all symptoms of his sheltered and frail intellect.
    It truly is astounding that people still cling to such feeble and disproven comments to debase the President. Even more amazing would be the self imposed projected ignorance these comments paint. One can assume either pure ignorance, or something far worse.

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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that." [W:417]

    Quote Originally Posted by tecoyah View Post
    Even more amazing would be the self imposed projected ignorance these comments paint. One can assume either pure ignorance, or something far worse.
    Well, he apparently believes there's a non-trivial number of his opponents who argue against having any government at all, paying any taxes at all, and/or are against the basic functions of government, like police, courts, basic infrastructure, etc., in order to have said all this.

    That, or he knows there isn't, and he's swatting intentionally at strawmen.

    So, given his very premise, it IS ignorance, or it's dishonesty.
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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that." [W:417]

    Quote Originally Posted by tecoyah View Post
    It truly is astounding that people still cling to such feeble and disproven comments to debase the President. Even more amazing would be the self imposed projected ignorance these comments paint. One can assume either pure ignorance, or something far worse.
    willful ignorance, the essence of stupidity....
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