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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that." [W:417]

    Quote Originally Posted by zstep18 View Post
    It's not like he was saying the individuals themselves had nothing to do with their own success. I think it was a broad statement about much of society in general.
    And the conclusion is what? It's a premise, like "there are mountains in Montana." What's the conclusion?
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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that." [W:417]

    when people take statements out of context like this, they become liars...and their credibility is shot.....
    both sides do it, tho....
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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that." [W:417]

    Quote Originally Posted by zstep18 View Post
    So, a couple sentences after his "you didn't build that" statement, when he said, "The point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together", what was he saying?
    He was saying "Crap, I screwed up...let me recover it now!"
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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that." [W:417]

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Which, in context, was exactly what Obama was doing. No, it wasn't the best paragraph construction.
    So, this extremely well spoken and intelligent person can't correctly form a paragraph? That's the defense?
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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that." [W:417]

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    And the conclusion is what? It's a premise, like "there are mountains in Montana." What's the conclusion?
    There's a role for government in certain things?

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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that." [W:417]

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    So, this extremely well spoken and intelligent person can't correctly form a paragraph? That's the defense?
    Imagine that, a well spoken and intelligent person not wording something in the best way. Oh the horror.

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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that." [W:417]

    Quote Originally Posted by zstep18 View Post
    There's a role for government in certain things?
    Who says there isn't? He's swatting at imaginary flies.

    And what does this "role" entail? If it's about the "role" of government in certain things, why is he going on about business owners? What do they have to do with it? Connect the dots.
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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that." [W:417]

    It is amazing...how some people do not understand the meaning of context. It is akin to cherry picking the bible to suit individual wants and morals.

    Here’s the full context of what he said:

    "We’ve already made a trillion dollars’ worth of cuts. We can make some more cuts in programs that don’t work, and make government work more efficiently…We can make another trillion or trillion-two, and what we then do is ask for the wealthy to pay a little bit more …

    There are a lot of wealthy, successful Americans who agree with me, because they want to give something back. They know they didn’t -look, if you’ve been successful, you didn’t get there on your own. You didn’t get there on your own. I’m always struck by people who think, well, it must be because I was just so smart. There are a lot of smart people out there. It must be because I worked harder than everybody else. Let me tell you something – there are a whole bunch of hardworking people out there.

    If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business. you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn’t get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet.

    The point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together. There are some things, just like fighting fires, we don’t do on our own. I mean, imagine if everybody had their own fire service. That would be a hard way to organize fighting fires.

    So we say to ourselves, ever since the founding of this country, you know what, there are some things we do better together. That’s how we funded the GI Bill. That’s how we created the middle class. That’s how we built the Golden Gate Bridge or the Hoover Dam. That’s how we invented the Internet. That’s how we sent a man to the moon. We rise or fall together as one nation and as one people, and that’s the reason I’m running for president – because I still believe in that idea. You’re not on your own, we’re in this together.”


    I understand why they do this...I just find it dishonest and petty.

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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that." [W:417]

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    He was saying "Crap, I screwed up...let me recover it now!"
    So, then you're acknowledging that he didn't word it in the best way then?

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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that." [W:417]

    Quote Originally Posted by zstep18 View Post
    Imagine that, a well spoken and intelligent person not wording something in the best way. Oh the horror.
    I agree, it's probably why he rarely goes off script. Too revealing.
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