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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that." [W:417]

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    No, sir. That's revisionism.
    It is simply the only rational way to read the paragraph.
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that." [W:417]

    Quote Originally Posted by zstep18 View Post
    The point was that, yes successful people become successful because of their own initiative, but also because of the people before who helped them along the way. What's so wrong about that?
    What's wrong is that Obama said it.
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that." [W:417]

    Quote Originally Posted by zstep18 View Post
    The point was that, yes successful people become successful because of their own initiative, but also because of the people before who helped them along the way. What's so wrong about that?
    What's the conclusion, then?
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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that." [W:417]

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Incorrect. In fact it's like an uber-governmental agency:
    Wrong:

    While AASHTO is not a government body, it does possess quasi-governmental powers in the sense that the organizations that supply its members customarily obey most AASHTO decisions. It is an example of a general tendency in the American style of government to outsource many governmental functions to nongovernmental expert organizations, whose decisions are then routinely ratified by appropriate government agencies.
    Do you even want to know the truth?

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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that." [W:417]

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    It is simply the only rational way to read the paragraph.
    Only if you rearrange the words. You're actually splitting a sentence in half and replying it elsewhere.
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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that." [W:417]

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    What's the conclusion, then?
    It's not like he was saying the individuals themselves had nothing to do with their own success. I think it was a broad statement about much of society in general.

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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that." [W:417]

    Quote Originally Posted by zstep18 View Post
    The point was that, yes successful people become successful because of their own initiative, but also because of the people before who helped them along the way. What's so wrong about that?
    There's nothing wrong with that on it's face, but that is not what he was saying.
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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that." [W:417]

    Quote Originally Posted by zstep18 View Post
    It's not like he was saying the individuals themselves had nothing to do with their own success. I think it was a broad statement about much of society in general.
    Look, he didn't even imply an equal balance between the impact of govt and the impact of individual effort. He put the majority on govt, claiming that without his version of govt, business wouldn't succeed. That's simply false. If it weren't, why is the economy still sucking?
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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that." [W:417]

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    There's nothing wrong with that on it's face, but that is not what he was saying.
    So, a couple sentences after his "you didn't build that" statement, when he said, "The point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together", what was he saying?

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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that." [W:417]

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Only if you rearrange the words. You're actually splitting a sentence in half and replying it elsewhere.
    Which, in context, was exactly what Obama was doing. No, it wasn't the best paragraph construction.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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