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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that." [W:417]

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Major roads perhaps, but the average roads where little more than well traveled tracks and the spaces between buildings. Furthermore, there were not roads initially in the west, yet the western expansion happened anyways. The highway system was a major benefit to the nation, however, it didn't exist until the 1950s. Businesses existed long before then.
    So? You asked what people commuted on in 1692 and now you know, it was government built roads.

    The western expansion depended on railroads and it was Abraham Lincoln that signed the Railroad Acts into law in 1862.

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    Ever hear of Route 66?

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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that." [W:417]

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Did you build the building that your business is in? Did you build the roads that bring the customers to your business? Did you build the street lights and electrical power that you depend on to run your business? Did you build the water plant and the pipes that supplies the water to your business? Do you own the trucking company or build the railroads and airplanes that brings supplies to your business? Did you teach all your employees how to read and do math? Do you own the newspapers or postal service that you advertise your business in? If no to any of those answers then you did not build your business alone.
    All that stuff is done buy, you guessed it....businesses.
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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that." [W:417]

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    So? You asked what people commuted on in 1692 and now you know, it was government built roads.

    The western expansion depended on railroads and it was Abraham Lincoln that signed the Railroad Acts into law in 1862.

    Pacific Railroad Acts - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



    Ever hear of Route 66?

    U.S. Route 66 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Built by the people that traveled it....later, much later, paved.
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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that." [W:417]

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    Yeah....btw...the developer that built my neighborhood also built our roads. Businessman as he was...
    My parents live in a condo and the condo association is responsible for the roads inside the condo complex. So what? That has little to do with the roads, highways and freeways that help bring customers to a business or a shopping center or a mall.

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    In my fraternity in college, they had something they repeated to us over and over during rush..."One man is no man." I think that MIGHT be the message he was poorly trying to communicate, here. And to some extent, I agree with it. Without everything else that has gone before to create the structure, none of our current business owners could be business owners. Which is NOT to say that they owe ANYONE, ANYTHING. Last I checked, business owners pay just as much or more taxes as non business owners for their infrastructure, from roads to educated (somewhat) workers. Too often, these days, though, I see business owners (mostly local) grandstanding about how much THEY, ALONE, do for their community. And this is the wrong mindset. There IS no I in team. And we're ALL on the same team. Team earth. We got team captains, and we got towel boys, and everything in between. And the team needs all of those players, to function properly. The captain get's a good deal more glory than the kid that cleans the jock straps, but guess what? NO ONE, NO ONE, likes a show boat, cocky, arrogant player. Just as much as no one likes the smell of jock straps that never get cleaned.
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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that." [W:417]

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    My parents live in a condo and the condo association is responsible for the roads inside the condo complex. So what? That has little to do with the roads, highways and freeways that help bring customers to a business or a shopping center or a mall.
    who pays for those roads?
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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that." [W:417]

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Built by the people that traveled it....later, much later, paved.
    So what? The point is who built and paid for the roads and railroads so businesses could thrive? hint: NOT BUSINESSES.

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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that." [W:417]

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    All that stuff is done buy, you guessed it....businesses.
    Wrong. All that "stuff" was built by government and paid for by taxpayers to entice businesses to the area to help bring jobs to the community. Roads usually come first, then businesses locate near the roads because that is where the most traffic is. That is just basic business 101 and it doesn't get any simpler than that.


    Municipal governments are usually administratively divided into several departments, depending on the size of the city. Though cities differ in the division of responsibility, the typical arrangement is to have the following departments handle the following roles:

    1.Urban planning/zoning
    2.Economic development/tourism
    3.Public works - construction and maintenance of all city-owned or operated assets, including the water supply system, sewer, streets, stormwater, snow removal, street cleaning, street signs, vehicles, buildings, land, etc.
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    "....Municipal engineering is concerned with municipal infrastructure. This involves specifying, designing, constructing, and maintaining streets, sidewalks, water supply networks, sewers, street lighting, municipal solid waste management and disposal, storage depots for various bulk materials used for maintenance and public works (salt, sand, etc.), public parks and bicycle paths. In the case of underground utility networks, it may also include the civil portion (conduits and access chambers) of the local distribution networks of electrical and telecommunications services. It can also include the optimizing of waste collection and bus service networks. Some of these disciplines overlap with other civil engineering specialties, however municipal engineering focuses on the coordination of these infrastructure networks and services, as they are often built simultaneously, and managed by the same municipal authority.

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    There isn't one thing on that list that a business located near an urban center hasn't used or depended on.

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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that." [W:417]

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    So what? The point is who built and paid for the roads and railroads so businesses could thrive? hint: NOT BUSINESSES.
    Private contractors build roads, they are paid for mainly through a user fee. There is no reason for large bureaucracy.

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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that." [W:417]

    Quote Originally Posted by Romulus View Post
    Private contractors build roads, they are paid for mainly through a user fee. There is no reason for large bureaucracy.
    You can argue all day about what you think would be the best way to build a national road infrastructure, but the bottom line is you didn't build it, which is what Obama said. Hypotheticals don't matter, what happened happened.
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