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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that." [W:417]

    Quote Originally Posted by Masada View Post
    Who built the roads there? The government?

    Hmmmmm.....where did the government get the money to build those roads?
    from all tax payers and other govt. revenue sources.

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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that." [W:417]

    No matter how hard you whack a strawman, it still stays a strawman.
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that." [W:417]

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    sure it was.

    Obama was talking abaout building bridges & roads, not accusing business-owners of not creating their businesses.

    suggesting such is sad & pathetic.
    He wasn't just talking about building roads and bridges. He was saying that success is not possible without govt help. This is not true. If it were true, you should be real pissed off that you are not rich and successful because Pres. Obama let you down.
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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that." [W:417]

    Quote Originally Posted by Masada View Post
    Just to reiterate, good roads were the result of successful businesses, not the other way around.
    It's a two-way street (no pun intended). Good roads result from a successful society. A successful society benefits far more from good roads than they would from bad roads.
    If you claim sexual harassment to be wrong, yet you defend anyone on your side for any reason,
    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that." [W:417]

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    He wasn't just talking about building roads and bridges. He was saying that success is not possible without govt help. This is not true.....
    so you acknowledge that the silly claim that "Obama says business-owners didn't create their businesses", is a stupid lie?

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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that." [W:417]

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    from all tax payers and other govt. revenue sources.
    Yes, that's right. From tax payers.

    Now, I want you to go do your damn homework. I want you to compare individual tax revenues to corporate tax revenues, and get back with me on which one is higher. Then tell me that companies aren't paying the lion's share for the roads and bridges the government has built. Heck, the government still goes out and relies on a PRIVATE BUSINESS to build those roads and bridges. They pay them through a contract, with tax dollars, and that private company has to turn around and pay taxes on the profits. All the while, the government did nothing but say, "we need a road here".

    If your parents paid for your college tuition, you can't say "you are responsible" for paying for college. No, your parents are responsible, because they paid for it. Without first paying for it, you wouldn't of gone to college. Just like that bridge. Without first taxing some business, the government couldn't have paid to have the bridge built.

    As for the ignoramous who commented about Africa's roads......I'll say that the government there confiscates profits from businesses in order to pay for things. Or they get international aid from America, which gets the majority of its' tax revenues from private businesses here at home.

    Just making my case that much stronger.

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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that." [W:417]

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    He wasn't just talking about building roads and bridges. He was saying that success is not possible without govt help. This is not true. If it were true, you should be real pissed off that you are not rich and successful because Pres. Obama let you down.
    Are you familiar with the concept of a neccesary but not sufficient condition? That is what Obama was describing. Government is necessary for businesses succeed, but government alone obviously isn't sufficient. It also requires individual initiative, hard work, and personal responsibility.
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that." [W:417]

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    It's a two-way street (no pun intended). Good roads result from a successful society. A successful society benefits far more from good roads than they would from bad roads.
    True enough. Except successful societies pay taxes to have roads built, whereas societies assume no risk or investment into my successful business. So, no, it's not a two way street. Society reeps benefits from successful businesses, but society isn't investing into my business.

    If you do not own a business, but you drive on the same roads I do, who's assuming more responsibility? I am. You reap the benefits off the backs of taxes paid by businesses and individuals. That's a sheer fact. The government is responsible for none of it.

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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that." [W:417]

    you know,we could have an honest discussion about this whole issue, if folks got off this silly red-herring about business-owners not making their businesses.

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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that." [W:417]

    Quote Originally Posted by Masada View Post
    Yes, that's right. From tax payers.

    Now, I want you to go do your damn homework. I want you to compare individual tax revenues to corporate tax revenues, and get back with me on which one is higher.
    Dude, you really need to do the homework yourself before you make yourself look even sillier. Corporate income taxes comprise just 9% of federal tax revenue, versus 42% from individual taxes. The lion's share of the rest comes from payroll taxes.
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

    -- Adam Smith

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