Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that." [W:417]

Romulus · Jul 27, 2012

Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that."

Boo Radley said:
So, let me this striaght, regulations that keep poison out of our PB is equal to lack of regulation in China that allows it in the PB? Is this your position?

When those decisions are made by unelected bureaucrats, yes. The government decides what poisons to put in your PB if you're Chinese. In America, the free market keeps your PB safe. You may point to FDA and falsely claim they keep your PB safe, but in reality profit motive keeps your PB safe. The industries safety standards are higher than the government's in the U.S.

And who would want that weapon? For what purpose? And people are elected, who place people into roles, and these agencies have to adhere to rules and laws. These rules and alws are ususally pushed by people not in government. People who lobby and push elected officials. The government doesn't usually do this compeltely on their own. You have to know how this works.

I don't want a bumpstock, the fact you think I do proves you don't read well. My point isn't that bumpstocks are legal or illegal, my problem is that they were declared legal by unelected bureaucrats. Even though full auto weapons were banned nearly a century ago.

When the colonies began to complain about paying direct taxes without representation in Parliament, defenders of that system claimed the colonists had de facto representation. You are making the same case here. Also, those agencies don't have to adhere to "rules and laws" because they make the "rules and laws" without the consent of the people.

Harshaw · Jul 27, 2012

zeusomally said:
So what, then, do you believe of Paul's stance on abortion. Sounds like he trying to force women to comport to his own viewpoint....
And he thinks it is okay for local school boards to force non-believers to sit through prayer in public schools
I could go on. Maybe you don't support Paul, but he does appear to be the current flagbearer of the Libertarian movement and I think it more than fair to say that he has no problem with "forcing others to comport to his viewpoint". Kind of a disconnect.---and allow me to rephrase that: He is ONE of the leaders of the Libertarian movement.

I really don't know why, when someone wishes to attack my libertarian views, they always bring up a Republican for whom I've never, not once, expressed the slightest bit of affinity, and whom I have in fact several times dismissed as a racist nut.

Harshaw · Jul 27, 2012

Moot said:
The US military is a volunteer civilian army.

Uh, no. The United States Army is a military, not civilians. These are pretty basic words is opposition to each other. This is even more idiotic than what you said before.

The military is comprised of paid civilian volunteers

:roll:

No, it's comprised of paid, full-time professional soldiers.

and they don't give up their citizenship to join the military.

Who said they did? You're compounding the idiocy quite staggeringly.

The military volunteers are obligated to obey the same laws that civilians are and they have almost all the same constitutional rights and protections as civilians. Ending the "don't ask, don't tell policy" helped to re-establish one of those rights.

Well, this is a whole bunch of nonsensical babbling, having nothing to do with that I said.

Like all presidents as commanders in chief of the military, Clinton qualified as Active Duty Military....

No, he didn't. He lost that argument quite handily, as you yourself linked to.

Boo Radley · Jul 27, 2012

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Romulus said:
When those decisions are made by unelected bureaucrats, yes. The government decides what poisons to put in your PB if you're Chinese. In America, the free market keeps your PB safe. You may point to FDA and falsely claim they keep your PB safe, but in reality profit motive keeps your PB safe. The industries safety standards are higher than the government's in the U.S.

Np atter what you may think, they don't make decisions in a vaccum, and they often answer to elected officials, who answer to us. We can elect everyone. The point is, people, not the government, lead these lead this regulations. They lobby, protest, write letters, and this is how it happens. China doesn't have to worry about that, hence, fewer regulations.

I don't want a bumpstock, the fact you think I do proves you don't read well. My point isn't that bumpstocks are legal or illegal, my problem is that they were declared legal by unelected bureaucrats. Even though full auto weapons were banned nearly a century ago.

When the colonies began to complain about paying direct taxes without representation in Parliament, defenders of that system claimed the colonists had de facto representation. You are making the same case here. Also, those agencies don't have to adhere to "rules and laws" because they make the "rules and laws" without the consent of the people.

Again, the unelected leaders, who answer to elected leaders who answer to voters didn't do this on their own. So, everyone is represented. These things were directly and indirectly pushed by people, not unelected bureaucrats.

MarineTpartier · Jul 27, 2012

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Boo Radley said:
Hardly. Argue for improvement, or show a significant percent abusing, and we can go somewhere. Go with your feeling, and I'm not convinced.

There is also a link inside of this link that shows a trend of people filing for unemployment until it runs out then filing for disability. The source of that report is whitehouse.gov
Recession enriching disability rolls

Boo Radley said:
A few. Or a least a few who believed what they did. And they did change much, though it was costly. But the country was not the same after the 60's.

I agree. The country is worse after the 60's IMO. It's telling that the current Congress's average age would have them at about 18-20 years old during the mid to late 60's. It's also telling that the percentage of legislators that served in the military is the lowest it's ever been. So, if they weren't in the military during the Vietnam war, I'd guess that they were in college or Canada (minus the few that had some weird exemption). Hence college's becoming the liberal beacons they are.

Boo Radley said:
I haven't seen it. And I've checked a few, espeically locally, and here they are nutter. The Obama billboards have been sad in their stupidity.

Link to their websites? Pics of the billboards? Come on man. You're making a lot of claims in these posts with no backup.

Boo Radley · Jul 27, 2012

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MarineTpartier said:
There is also a link inside of this link that shows a trend of people filing for unemployment until it runs out then filing for disability. The source of that report is whitehouse.gov
Recession enriching disability rolls

From the report:

An important potential avenue for leaving the labor force, especially for older job seekers, is to apply for disability benefits through the Social Security Disability Insurance (SSDI) program. SSDI applications generally rise when unemployment is high. Unemployed workers with significant and persistent illnesses or injuries can qualify for SSDI despite the fact that some applicants would continue to work if they still had a job.

Seems reasonable and more a function of age and unemployment, which is particularly tricky. It does not appear to be a sign of a problem with the program or people wanting to be taken care of. Even the person in editorial states clearly that an aging population is playing a role. Hard times bring about hard choices. But I don't think this fully supports your claim.

I agree. The country is worse after the 60's IMO. It's telling that the current Congress's average age would have them at about 18-20 years old during the mid to late 60's. It's also telling that the percentage of legislators that served in the military is the lowest it's ever been. So, if they weren't in the military during the Vietnam war, I'd guess that they were in college or Canada (minus the few that had some weird exemption). Hence college's becoming the liberal beacons they are.

Worse? Civil rights occured during the 60's and 70's, and that's better. Women's rights prospered, and that's better. Kerry as in VN and so were many others, a few kicked out when they dared speak against Iraq when we had the fever. Science and medicine gained, as did some really great music.

Nixon hurt the country, by destorying trust. Nearly single handedly he made all in government beyond suspect. He refined and exploited the liberal media dodge. Not to mention college.

Link to their websites? Pics of the billboards? Come on man. You're making a lot of claims in these posts with no backup.

You want a link to their billboards (I didn't say a thing about websites)? OK.

Tea Party billboard covered up in Mason City

That was just one of a few taken down. The population there isn't as radical as this person.

teamosil · Jul 27, 2012

Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that."

"You didn't build that" = "I like firing people"

They're both snippets taken out of context, and in both cases, the context makes it 100% clear what they were actually saying, and in both cases, what they were actually saying was entirely innocuous... This kind of distraction game is dumb. There are real policy issues at stake in this election. Can't we focus on those instead?

MarineTpartier · Jul 27, 2012

Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that."

Boo Radley said:
From the report:
Seems reasonable and more a function of age and unemployment, which is particularly tricky. It does not appear to be a sign of a problem with the program or people wanting to be taken care of. Even the person in editorial states clearly that an aging population is playing a role. Hard times bring about hard choices. But I don't think this fully supports your claim.

I said in the beginning that I understood we have an aging workforce. However, there is no way our workforce went from as able as it was, to as feeble as it looks with those numbers.

Boo Radley said:
Worse? Civil rights occured during the 60's and 70's, and that's better. Women's rights prospered, and that's better. Kerry as in VN and so were many others, a few kicked out when they dared speak against Iraq when we had the fever. Science and medicine gained, as did some really great music.

Concur on the music. We did get some good music from that era. Sex also became cheapened, the rich and poor became divided due to the beginnings of class warfare that continues today (that's a whole other argument), drugs became acceptable in the countries lexicon, etc, etc.

Boo Radley said:
You want a link to their billboards (I didn't say a thing about websites)? OK.

Tea Party billboard covered up in Mason City

That was just one of a few taken down. The population there isn't as radical as this person.

I don't see anything offensive about that. If you would have showed a racist billboard I would have agreed with you. Its radical, but not offensive.

Boo Radley · Jul 28, 2012

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MarineTpartier said:
I said in the beginning that I understood we have an aging workforce. However, there is no way our workforce went from as able as it was, to as feeble as it looks with those numbers.

That's not actually true. Iowa intinced me to come back here some years ago. They ahd doen a study that shwoed the aging population was going to hit hard, and they didn't have enough young people to replace them. Theys till don't. The governor then went radical, and incouraged immigrants to come to Iowa. Not a popular move. But we still are suffering from the aging population.

Add to this the poor job market, and old folks are not first choice in any market, and this is quite reasonable, or at least to be expected.

Concur on the music. We did get some good music from that era. Sex also became cheapened, the rich and poor became divided due to the beginnings of class warfare that continues today (that's a whole other argument), drugs became acceptable in the countries lexicon, etc, etc.

I owuld say less hidden. Over the years I've heard a lot of women speak of the good ol days being less than good. The fact is we tend to romanticize the past. I would also say drugs have always been part and parcel of this country.

I don't see anything offensive about that. If you would have showed a racist billboard I would have agreed with you. Its radical, but not offensive.

That's worrisome as you should. But it was just one of many of the same nonsense the TP has posted here. BTW, the person who put that poster up comes to regular legislature meetings to tell folks if we wanted people of color in our here, we wouldn't live in Iowa. Now, don't get me wrong, I don't think he represents all TP members, but he does wear the brand. And those signs, which keep going up by the TP and taken down by citizen protest. Now, they have them in their yards, and no one has stopped that (nor should they). But the folks who own the Billboards and the businesses around them just won't take much of that (and this is a very conservative area).

Romulus · Jul 28, 2012

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teamosil said:
"You didn't build that" = "I like firing people"

They're both snippets taken out of context, and in both cases, the context makes it 100% clear what they were actually saying, and in both cases, what they were actually saying was entirely innocuous... This kind of distraction game is dumb. There are real policy issues at stake in this election. Can't we focus on those instead?

"You didn't build that" is the rephrasing of an ideological meme first articulated by Berkeley linguist George Lakoff. It is anything but an out of context gaff, which I mistakenly believed originally. Lakoff argues against the self-made American or basically repackages democratic socialism by focusing on the role of government in enabling individual success. That's fine if your into that sorta thing...but it is not "innocuous".

teamosil · Jul 28, 2012

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Romulus said:
"You didn't build that" is the rephrasing of an ideological meme first articulated by Berkeley linguist George Lakoff. It is anything but an out of context gaff, which I mistakenly believed originally. Lakoff argues against the self-made American or basically repackages democratic socialism by focusing on the role of government in enabling individual success. That's fine if your into that sorta thing...but it is not "innocuous".

Forget about whatever conspiracy theory you've got going there, just read the whole actual speech by Obama:

"There are a lot of wealthy, successful Americans who agree with me -- because they want to give something back. They know they didn’t -- look, if you’ve been successful, you didn’t get there on your own. You didn’t get there on your own. I’m always struck by people who think, well, it must be because I was just so smart. There are a lot of smart people out there. It must be because I worked harder than everybody else. Let me tell you something -- there are a whole bunch of hardworking people out there.

"If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business -- you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn’t get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet.

"The point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together. There are some things, just like fighting fires, we don’t do on our own. I mean, imagine if everybody had their own fire service. That would be a hard way to organize fighting fires.

"So we say to ourselves, ever since the founding of this country, you know what, there are some things we do better together. That’s how we funded the G.I. Bill. That’s how we created the middle class. That’s how we built the Golden Gate Bridge or the Hoover Dam. That’s how we invented the Internet. That’s how we sent a man to the moon. We rise or fall together as one nation and as one people, and that’s the reason I’m running for President -- because I still believe in that idea. You’re not on your own, we’re in this together."

Obviously there isn't anything offensive about that, right?

LughLamfada · Jul 28, 2012

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teamosil said:
Forget about whatever conspiracy theory you've got going there, just read the whole actual speech by Obama...Obviously there isn't anything offensive about that, right?

Wrong, if the speech had been gave by someone who genuinley cared about this country I'd not find anything offensive about it. Since it was vomited forth from the mouth of a hypocrite who hates this country, hates anyone who disagrees with him, stands up to him as well as his pro-government policies, is so anxious to grovel on his knees while begging other heads of states forgiveness I find the whole speech highly offensive.

Because it's insulting to my intelligence that such a liar would expect me to believe anything he spewed.

teamosil · Jul 28, 2012

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LughLamfada said:
Wrong, if the speech had been gave by someone who genuinley cared about this country I'd not find anything offensive about it. Since it was vomited forth from the mouth of a hypocrite who hates this country, hates anyone who disagrees with him, stands up to him as well as his pro-government policies, is so anxious to grovel on his knees while begging other heads of states forgiveness I find the whole speech highly offensive.

Because it's insulting to my intelligence that such a liar would expect me to believe anything he spewed.

So you're just saying that you think everything Obama says sucks because you hate Obama. So you admit that you aren't really smart enough to vote?

LughLamfada · Jul 28, 2012

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teamosil said:
So you're just saying that you think everything Obama says sucks because you hate Obama. So you admit that you aren't really smart enough to vote?

I made a statement no more, no less. If you want to play the "stick words in someone's mouth game" go try your crude one someone else. I can't stand what the individual stands for. I was clear about that before, but if you're to dense to accept that no worries. As per the rest of your spew I'm a judge (Democrat judge I will add) in my voting district. My parents are the Democrat commissioners in their township.

You want to spew more smart remarks when you know nothing about me bub, you go right ahead.

I'll da*n well add I've voted every election since I was 18 years old, and I always voted from a well informed standpoint. From the way you just attacked my opinion you're obviously some nut who feels the need to pigeonhole everyone. Again I say, no worries because you, or any other liberal nuts like you can try that tact on me all you like online, or off.

teamosil · Jul 28, 2012

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LughLamfada said:
I made a statement no more, no less. If you want to play the "stick words in someone's mouth game" go try your crude one someone else. I can't stand what the individual stands for. I was clear about that before, but if you're to dense to accept that no worries. As per the rest of your spew I'm a judge (Democrat judge I will add) in my voting district. My parents are the Democrat commissioners in their township.

You want to spew more smart remarks when you know nothing about me bub, you go right ahead.

I'll da*n well add I've voted every election since I was 18 years old, and I always voted from a well informed standpoint. From the way you just attacked my opinion you're obviously some nut who feels the need to pigeonhole everyone. Again I say, no worries because you, or any other liberal nuts like you can try that tact on me all you like online, or off.

Yeeehaaaw I'z can jus tells by lookin at that Obama whats that he aint noes good... You think that level of understanding of politics qualifies you to vote? Why not just throw darts at a dartboard instead?

LughLamfada · Jul 28, 2012

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teamosil said:
Yeeehaaaw I'z can jus tells by lookin at that Obama whats that he aint noes good... You think that level of understanding of politics qualifies you to vote? Why not just throw darts at a dartboard instead?

The first part of what you spewed is just that, spew of the most idiotic sort, and not worth responding to since you're displaying troll like behavior to the max. As previously stated, you want to attempt to play your pathetic games with me it won't work freak.

I make informed opinions of the candidates in question. From the look of how you spew on here when someone disagrees with you that's more than you'll ever be capable of doing. From your further spew you think we should establish extraordinary qualifications for people to vote.

Personally, I think someone should be a citizen, have proof of who they are, and it would be a good thing if they had a basic grasp of who as well as what they're voting for. That's probably asking to much of someone such as you, but that's just to bad bub.

What are your qualifications the color of someone's hide? How about their religion? Perhaps we should have IQ tests set up outside the voting booths to satisfy your desire to pigeonhole everyone?

Get your dart board out jerk because you'll be using it not me. I'm still studying the candidates who are running against the idiot currently enthroned in the high office, and will make a informed decision regardless of what you, or anyone else tries to force upon me with mockery, and ridicule.

teamosil · Jul 28, 2012

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LughLamfada said:
The first part of what you spewed is just that, spew of the most idiotic sort, and not worth responding to since you're displaying troll like behavior to the max. As previously stated, you want to attempt to play your pathetic games with me it won't work freak.

What are you talking about kiddo? Your position, at least what you have explained of it, is that it doesn't matter what actual policies Obama advocates, you can just tell he's bad people, and therefore everything he says or does is bad. Right? Is there more to it than that? If so, lets hear it.

LughLamfada said:
I make informed opinions of the candidates in question. From the look of how you spew on here when someone disagrees with you that's more than you'll ever be capable of doing. From your further spew you think we should establish extraordinary qualifications for people to vote.

No, I don't think we should have qualifications. I think that you should take a long hard look at yourself and ask yourself whether you really think you should be voting. If you really are just thinking on the level of gut instinct about which politicians intuitively seem like bad people to you, then the answer is obviously that you should not. If you cared about your country, you would leave the big decisions to people who are more able to make those decisions. I don't think it should be against the law for you to vote, I think you should recognize that you aren't well equipped to take on that responsibility.

LughLamfada · Jul 28, 2012

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teamosil said:
What are you talking about kiddo? Your position, at least what you have explained of it, is that it doesn't matter what actual policies Obama advocates, you can just tell he's bad people, and therefore everything he says or does is bad. Right? Is there more to it than that? If so, lets hear it.

No, I don't think we should have qualifications. I think that you should take a long hard look at yourself and ask yourself whether you really think you should be voting. If you really are just thinking on the level of gut instinct about which politicians intuitively seem like bad people to you, then the answer is obviously that you should not. If you cared about your country, you would leave the big decisions to people who are more able to make those decisions. I don't think it should be against the law for you to vote, I think you should recognize that you aren't well equipped to take on that responsibility.

I've stated what I think about the individual in question. Quantifying myself to a troll, such as yourself, is a complete waste of my time because you don't care about what anyone feels, or thinks IF they disagree with you. Now, you are obviously super intent on pigeonholing others (especially me from your attacks) as well as attempting to talk down to anyone who disagrees with you. You can take your pathetic attempts at insulting my intelligence as well as my personal opinions, and shove them. I've fought, and bled for my country which is more than someone who spews venom like you (in all liklihood) ever has, or ever will.

I don't need a sad, pathetic, hate filled libeal freak such as yourself to make any decisions for me.

I don't need a sad, pathetic, hate filled liberal freak such as yourself to make some sickening, pathetic attempt in informing me of what I'm capable of, and what I'm not.

Your "fearless leader" is a coward, a liar, and a hypocrite of the worst sort. IF such a piece of lying trash told me the sun rose in the East, and set in the West I'd double check before putting any trust in what such a piece of slime said.

I care about not only my country, but myself, and my fellow citizens no matter who they are, what color their hide, their religion, etc. I care enough to not trust someone who grovels, lies, and hates America.

I also care about anyone's right to vote even a bottom feeder such as yourself. If you feel the need to vote for the thing then by all means vote for it.

You'd make a good modern day politician since you obviously think your ability to dictate, dominate, and control other people's lives is not only for the good of said people, but for their overall benefit. You'd also have made a good Communist in Stalin's Russia, or a good Nazi under Hitler.

teamosil · Jul 28, 2012

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LughLamfada said:
I've stated what I think about the individual in question. Quantifying myself to a troll, such as yourself, is a complete waste of my time because you don't care about what anyone feels, or thinks IF they disagree with you. Now, you are obviously super intent on pigeonholing others (especially me from your attacks) as well as attempting to talk down to anyone who disagrees with you. You can take your pathetic attempts at insulting my intelligence as well as my personal opinions, and shove them. I've fought, and bled for my country which is more than someone who spews venom like you (in all liklihood) ever has, or ever will.

I don't need a sad, pathetic, hate filled libeal freak such as yourself to make any decisions for me.

I don't need a sad, pathetic, hate filled liberal freak such as yourself make some sickening, pathetic attempt in informing me of what I'm capable of, and what I'm not.

Your "fearless leader" is a coward, a liar, and a hypocrite of the worst sort. IF such a piece of lying trash told me the sun rose in the East, and set in the West I'd double check before putting any trust in what such a piece of slime said.

I care about not only my country, but myself, and my fellow citizens no matter who they are, what color their hide, their religion, etc. I care enough to not trust someone who grovels, lies, and hates America.

I also care about anyone's right to vote even a bottom feeder such as yourself. If you feel the need to vote for the thing then by all means vote for it.

You'd make a good modern day politician since you obviously think your ability to dictate, dominate, and control other people's lives is not only for the good of said people, but for their overall benefit. You'd also have made a good Communist in Stalin's Russia, or a good Nazi under Hitler.

So, you're just confirming what I said? That your position is "Yeeehaaaw I'z can jus tells by lookin at that Obama whats that he aint noes good..." Right?

LughLamfada · Jul 28, 2012

No dumb ass, but you've finished confirming what I have been thinking about you. LOL

teamosil said:
So, you're just confirming what I said? That your position is "Yeeehaaaw I'z can jus tells by lookin at that Obama whats that he aint noes good..." Right?

You're obviously a really stupid troll. You like to babble while repeatedly attempting to stick words in other peoples mouths. I think for myself, and am proud my parents taught me to do such. I also encourage others to do said same which is more than pond scum like ever will, or will ever want others to do from what you've stated repeatedly.

If none of what I went over is "good enough" for your "superior by your own definition" liberal mindset, tough sh*t sherlock.

This election will be defined by the paraphrasing of a old saying, "Better the devil you don't know than the one you do".

Now, you go ahead, and troll away some more if you need to bub. I don't plan on responding to any more of your idiotic troll posts in this thread.

teamosil · Jul 28, 2012

Re: No dumb ass, but you've finished confirming what I have been thinking about you.

LughLamfada said:
You're obviously a really stupid troll. You like to babble while repeatedly attempting to stick words in other peoples mouths. I think for myself, and am proud my parents taught me to do such. I also encourage others to do said same which is more than pond scum like ever will, or will ever want others to do from what you've stated repeatedly.

If none of what I went over is "good enough" for your "superior by your own definition" liberal mindset, tough sh*t sherlock.

This election will be defined by the paraphrasing of a old saying, "Better the devil you don't know than the one you do".

Now, you go ahead, and troll away some more if you need to bub. I don't plan on responding to any more of your idiotic troll posts in this thread.

Kiddo, I don't think you understand how debate works. Just ranting over and over about how much you hate liberals isn't debating. You aren't making any arguments or anything...

Bobcat · Jul 28, 2012

Re: No dumb ass, but you've finished confirming what I have been thinking about you.

teamosil said:
Kiddo, I don't think you understand how debate works. Just ranting over and over about how much you hate liberals isn't debating. You aren't making any arguments or anything...

pointing out the lunacy of the opposition argument is good debate. and your posts provide ample data to support lunacy.

Boo Radley · Jul 28, 2012

Re: No dumb ass, but you've finished confirming what I have been thinking about you.

Bobcat said:
pointing out the lunacy of the opposition argument is good debate. and your posts provide ample data to support lunacy.

It only works if there is actual lunacy. Someone mistaking sound reasoning for lunacy usually backfires on the person making the mistake.

VanceMack · Jul 28, 2012

Re: No dumb ass, but you've finished confirming what I have been thinking about you.

I believe a lot of people have completely missed the what and why to what Obama said. He wasnt calling for more government involvement. His message wasnt a slam at business owners. In the context and to the audience he was addressing, his message was..."all those rich people...they didnt get rich by themselves. You the poor and disenfranchised public created everything for them and then they have exploited it. And you. Thats why you need to reelect me and give me another four years to go after for you what really and truly is rightfully yours...MORE of their wealth. Its only fair after all." It was typical pure populist tripe...and his supporters eat it with a big ol spoon.

teamosil · Jul 28, 2012

Re: No dumb ass, but you've finished confirming what I have been thinking about you.

Bobcat said:
pointing out the lunacy of the opposition argument is good debate. and your posts provide ample data to support lunacy.

He isn't pointing out anything at all about my posts. He's just ranting about how he hates liberals.

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