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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that." [W:417]

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Then why do so many of them sing a solo of Frank Sinatra's I DID IT MY WAY and actually believe they accomplished everything all by themsleves?

    Who do so many on the right refuse to admit that society and its desginated government plays a huge role in making this a great country and contributing to the success of the American people?
    What they know they did is to use the same resources everyone else has in our country and build successful businesses. All those roads? All the infrastructure? That's available to everyone. I don't know any successful businessman who doesn't say, in effect, "Only in America...." Those who build success from ashes stand above those who either don't have the drive, the smarts, the ambition or the mentors to achieve success. It's as level a playing field as anywhere else in the world.

    We do not have our government to thank for a damned thing. Put the credit where it belongs: on the Constitution of the United States of America and the American people themselves.
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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that." [W:417]

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    What they know they did is to use the same resources everyone else has in our country and build successful businesses. All those roads? All the infrastructure? That's available to everyone. I don't know any successful businessman who doesn't say, in effect, "Only in America...." Those who build success from ashes stand above those who either don't have the drive, the smarts, the ambition or the mentors to achieve success. It's as level a playing field as anywhere else in the world.

    We do not have our government to thank for a damned thing. Put the credit where it belongs: on the Constitution of the United States of America and the American people themselves.
    You're referring to the Constitution ... that establishes the government, right?
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that." [W:417]

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    You're referring to the Constitution ... that establishes the government, right?
    And restricts it so that liberals like yourself can't come along and restrict freedoms and rights in the name of social engineering.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ksu_aviator View Post
    And restricts it so that liberals like yourself can't come along and restrict freedoms and rights in the name of social engineering.
    Yes, so we should give all credit to the Constitution! ... that does nothing but establish the structures and powers of the federal government ... but we should not credit the government that the Constitution actually establishes ... as if the Constitution without the government is anything more than a useless piece of paper....
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that." [W:417]

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    You're referring to the Constitution ... that establishes the government, right?
    Yes, of course. But without the Constitution, the United States would be a very different place. Despite the Constitution, our government has morphed so far away from its original principles as to be almost appalling. We succeed inspite of a great deal of what our government does -- not because of it, IMO.
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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that." [W:417]

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    You're referring to the Constitution ... that establishes the government, right?
    ....for people who were already inventing, producing and engaging in trade.

    What American progressive leftists (collectivists) are too stupid or indoctrinated to understand or admit, is that human inventiveness, industriousness and commerce, like natural rights and liberty, exist in the absence of the state
    Incrementally, and always under the guise of "fairness", "equality", and "social justice", the US Constitution has been deceitfully interpreted in ways that remove all limitations on central authority...and place them on the people.

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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that." [W:417]

    Quote Originally Posted by Aberration View Post
    That is a lie.
    I wish it were but unfortunately the GOPs actions speak louder than their words.....

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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that." [W:417]

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Yes, so we should give all credit to the Constitution! ... that does nothing but establish the structures and powers of the federal government ... but we should not credit the government that the Constitution actually establishes ... as if the Constitution without the government is anything more than a useless piece of paper....
    You really don't understand the Constitution do you?
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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that." [W:417]

    Quote Originally Posted by ksu_aviator View Post
    You really don't understand the Constitution do you?
    You really don't know how to debate, do you?
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that." [W:417]

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Yes, of course. But without the Constitution, the United States would be a very different place. Despite the Constitution, our government has morphed so far away from its original principles as to be almost appalling. We succeed inspite of a great deal of what our government does -- not because of it, IMO.
    I disagree, obviously. But this worship of the Constitution, combined with disdain for the government it created, is bizarre to me. Sort of like saying, "man, those Acme Corp. bylaws are AWESOME ... but Acme Corp? Sucks."
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

    -- Adam Smith

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