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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that."

    I tend to agree with most of what he was saying here. You dont just successfully run and own a business. Other people make it possible. I dont really agree that the government made it possible but you cant do it alone. You need customers, and these days customers have choices. You need a financial backing to get started. You technology and vendors in most cases. You need laws you protect your business.
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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that."

    Quote Originally Posted by Blue_State View Post
    Yeah, those pesky business owners and private citizens just paid for it.
    Exactly. They paid for it and built it through collective, government action -- the sort of action Obama is defending. He examples how government action can provide general benefit and facilitate business growth.

    Many of the people taking his words out of context probably don't disagree with this premise either, which makes the attacks all the more asinine.

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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that."

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    The free market system, without the "intrusiveness" of government regulation, blows up. See Great Recession.
    True, but inherent in this discussion is more liberal conflation of terms. There is federal, state and local government. Federal government should not be regulating everything, only interstate commerce and that regulation should also serve to encourage business as well as keep them from rolling over the consumer.

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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that."

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    That does not change the fact that Republicans edited Obama's words to make it look like he said something he didn't say. If they were going to be honest, they should have shown the whole clip.
    No, they didn't edit anything, they showed a portion of the speech, just as the left has been doing to the right forever. This is typical of reporting and politicking, always has been. I don't see you complaining when they do this to Romney or any other republican.

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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that."

    I honestly feel both parties have this wrong.
    We went from sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me to safe spaces.

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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that."

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    Nice appeal to mockery. Really, it's clever, and I mean that in a genuine way. But to the issue...

    What is the point in reminding the owners of business and property that not everything they own came into existence solely because of them? Everyone knows this. There was never any question about it. So why, as the person with the most influential job on the planet, should he spend his time reminding us of something we all already know without even having to think, and knew as early as infancy (when we learned the concept of "mine")?

    [edit]Best case scenario, he's wasting his time and ours. But honestly I believe there is a definite purpose to telling us these little fables, and I have explained what I think that purpose is in previous posts.
    You have to give Mr T credit, as he tries to find a spin that works on this misstep into the truth for Obama. He and the rest of the Obama org, will be trying to spin this on until November. Hope Obama has a better answer than T when we have the debates.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    The free market system, without the "intrusiveness" of government regulation, blows up. See Great Recession.
    The Great Recession is a weak example of why Obama's goal for government is to "put people to work" and "make sure the work pays off." A retrospective need for financial regulation to have prevented a dramatic bubble inflation and bursting does not demonstrate why government needs to be conjuring up jobs or fixing pay rates. Predatory lending can be illegal. Rating agencies deceiving investors can be corrected. But broadcasting to the people that government is going to see to it they have jobs and "fair" pay? These are not connected as a defense of Obama's promotion of the taker mentality.
    Last edited by Neomalthusian; 07-19-12 at 04:58 PM.

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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that."

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    LOL. Republicans edited Obama's words to make it look like something he didn't say at all. Here are Obama's words before they were edited:

    "If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business -- you didn’t build that."

    And, of course, business owners did NOT build roads and bridges. The government did that. LMAO.
    I don't think it's being taken out of context. Exaggerated a bit maybe, but not out of context.
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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that." [W:417]

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    The Great Recession is a weak example of why Obama's goal for government is to "put people to work" and "make sure the work pays off." A retrospective need for financial regulation to have prevented a dramatic bubble inflation and bursting does not demonstrate why government needs to be conjuring up jobs or fixing pay rates. Predatory lending can be illegal. Rating agencies deceiving investors can be corrected. But broadcasting to the people that government is going to see to it they have jobs and "fair" pay? These are not connected as a defense of Obama's promotion of the taker mentality.
    I agree with Obama. It is government's job to help balance the economy and thus help create the conditions necessary for jobs to be created and for hard work to pay off. And in the event that the economy should go off the rails, it is the job of government to deploy temprary stimulus to reduce the impact on vulnerable people and to quicken the recovery.
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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