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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that."

    When a politician speaks enough, sometimes they slip up and say what they really think.
    Many of us have observed the large disparity between the Presidents words and his actions.
    His statements this time seem to line up closer to his actions and beliefs.
    Not just that people should depend on Government, but that they should be grateful
    that Government allows them to draw another breath.

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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that."

    Quote Originally Posted by longview View Post
    When a politician speaks enough, sometimes they slip up and say what they really think.
    Many of us have observed the large disparity between the Presidents words and his actions.
    His statements this time seem to line up closer to his actions and beliefs.
    Not just that people should depend on Government, but that they should be grateful
    that Government allows them to draw another breath.
    Absolutely. There's one phenomenon that no one has mentioned....the longer he's in office, the less we're fooled. November will tell the tale.

    I do think he will lose.
    I do think his support is a house of cards held together by a complicit liberal dominated media.
    I do think people are absolutely desperate to rid themselves and this country of him.

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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that."

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    Nice appeal to mockery. Really, it's clever, and I mean that in a genuine way. But to the issue...

    What is the point in reminding the owners of business and property that not everything they own came into existence solely because of them? Everyone knows this. There was never any question about it. So why, as the person with the most influential job on the planet, should he spend his time reminding us of something we all already know without even having to think, and knew as early as infancy (when we learned the concept of "mine")?

    [edit]Best case scenario, he's wasting his time and ours. But honestly I believe there is a definite purpose to telling us these little fables, and I have explained what I think that purpose is in previous posts.
    That is a reasonable question but you only have to read this thread to get your answer. There are obviously quite a few who simply deny what you say "everyone knows". And of course it was political jargon. He's arguing that government can do good things. Not that it's the only thing, but that it's worthwhile and worth supporting. It was a small segment of a long speech. It's odd, but I haven't seen the conservative blogs and news sites (or the MSM for that matter) cite this passage that came much earlier in the speech:

    **** [A]t the heart of this country, its central idea is the idea that in this country, if you’re willing to work hard, if you’re willing to take responsibility, you can make it if you try.* (Applause.)* That you can find a job that supports a family and find a home you can make your own; that you won’t go bankrupt when you get sick.* That maybe you can take a little vacation with your family once in a while -- nothing fancy, but just time to spend with those you love.* Maybe see the country a little bit, maybe come down to Roanoke.* (Applause.)* That your kids can get a great education, and if they’re willing to work hard, then they can achieve things that you wouldn’t have even imagined achieving.* And then you can maybe retire with some dignity and some respect, and be part of a community and give something back.* (Applause.)*

    That’s the idea of America.* It doesn’t matter what you look like.* It doesn’t matter where you come from.* It doesn’t matter what your last name is.* You can live out the American Dream.* That’s what binds us all together.* (Applause.)
    Or this part:

    Our goal isn’t just to put people back to work -- although that’s priority number one -- it is to build an economy where that work pays off.* An economy where everyone, whether you are starting a business or punching a clock, can see your hard work and responsibility rewarded.* That’s what this campaign’s about, Roanoke.* And that’s why I’m running for a second term as President of the United States of America.* (Applause.)
    The FULL TEXT of the speech is here: http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-...anoke-virginia
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    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    That is a reasonable question but you only have to read this thread to get your answer. There are obviously quite a few who simply deny what you say "everyone knows". And of course it was political jargon. He's arguing that government can do good things. Not that it's the only thing, but that it's worthwhile and worth supporting. It was a small segment of a long speech. It's odd, but I haven't seen the conservative blogs and news sites (or the MSM for that matter) cite this passage that came much earlier in the speech:

    (snip)

    Or this part:

    (snip)
    Conservatives SHOULD be talking about that. Why does he want his government to have the goal of "putting people back to work?" Does he want more government workers? Government's job is not to give us jobs, except to accomplish its specific objectives that require federal workers.

    And what can a government do to see to it that the work people in general do "pays off" and is rewarded? It can protect people from breach of employment contract, but otherwise the negotiation of pay is between the employer and the employee. Why is Obama talking about these goals of employing people and paying them more as a government goal? Government can only protect people's rights by making sure they have legal recourse for contract breaches. They can't just impose the terms between private parties. But I guess PPACA starts to change that, doesn't it?

    These comments make so many people starry eyed and they are oblivious to how alarming it all really is.

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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that."

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    Conservatives SHOULD be talking about that. Why does he want his government to have the goal of "putting people back to work?" Does he want more government workers? Government's job is not to give us jobs, except to accomplish its specific objectives that require federal workers.

    And what can a government do to see to it that the work people in general do "pays off" and is rewarded? It can protect people from breach of employment contract, but otherwise the negotiation of pay is between the employer and the employee. Why is Obama talking about these goals of employing people and paying them more as a government goal? Government can only protect people's rights by making sure they have legal recourse for contract breaches. They can't just impose the terms between private parties. But I guess PPACA starts to change that, doesn't it?

    These comments make so many people starry eyed and they are oblivious to how alarming it all really is.
    Therein lies the rub though. The free market system should be free of that kind of intrusiveness. Obama and his supporters see that intrusiveness as fair so all can achieve just don't achieve too much or there will be people camping in city parks demanding equal achievement even without the work or risk.

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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that."

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    People couldn't make enough to live.
    not necessarily. First, labor costs are a major portion of all goods. If labor cost goes down, expense goes down, costs go down and you can afford more at less income. Second, "couldn't make enough to live" isn't really the problem most Americans face. Making enough money to pay for cell phones, new cars, 50 inch tvs and laptops is the actual problem. If you strip all that away, and prioritze correctly...most Americans could live on far less than they now make.
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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that."

    Quote Originally Posted by mtlhdtodd View Post
    Therein lies the rub though. The free market system should be free of that kind of intrusiveness. Obama and his supporters see that intrusiveness as fair so all can achieve just don't achieve too much or there will be people camping in city parks demanding equal achievement even without the work or risk.
    The free market system, without the "intrusiveness" of government regulation, blows up. See Great Recession.
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that."

    LOL. Republicans edited Obama's words to make it look like something he didn't say at all. Here are Obama's words before they were edited:

    "If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business -- you didn’t build that."

    And, of course, business owners did NOT build roads and bridges. The government did that. LMAO.
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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that."

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    LOL. Republicans edited Obama's words to make it look like something he didn't say at all. Here are Obama's words before they were edited:

    "If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business -- you didn’t build that."

    And, of course, business owners did NOT build roads and bridges. The government did that. LMAO.
    Yeah, those pesky business owners and private citizens just paid for it.
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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that."

    Quote Originally Posted by Blue_State View Post
    Yeah, those pesky business owners and private citizens just paid for it.
    That does not change the fact that Republicans edited Obama's words to make it look like he said something he didn't say. If they were going to be honest, they should have shown the whole clip.
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