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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that."

    Quote Originally Posted by johnny_rebson View Post
    But....if we got rid of the minimum wage law........
    Then everyone's wages would go down because they would be competing with people willing to work for $3 a day.

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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that."

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    rant noted and rejected as being specious.

    the left does have masters. the left worships more government and more governmental control

    and yes you constantly state that the government needs more of our money
    I thought he was talking about you.

    The left doesn't worship, the right does. The right wants more government control in the form of a police state aka fascism. The right constantly wants more money to build more prisons and warehouse people for the rest of their lives at taxpayer expense and when they aren't harping about that they whine for more money to spend on weapons and military to control other countries.

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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that."

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    I thought he was talking about you.

    The left doesn't worship, the right does. The right wants more government control in the form of a police state aka fascism. The right constantly wants more money to build more prisons and warehouse people for the rest of their lives at taxpayer expense and when they aren't harping about that they whine for more money to spend on weapons and military to control other countries.
    you obviously have a specious and confused understanding of the right.

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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that."

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    you obviously have a specious and confused understanding of the right.
    NO - it seems to me they were RIGHT on.
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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that."

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    Are you saying they wouldn't? Many of our businesses do it openly in other countries... why wouldn't they do it here if it was legal?
    Again...is this something the workers of those companies have a problem with? Are they forced to work there?

    Regardless of rules, regulations or practices...the relationship between worker and employer is a two-way street.

    Again....let's say Apple is guilty of all those "bad" hiring practices and working environments. Is anyone forced to work there? Do they have the ability to force a current worker to stay there, if they want to go? As an employee, you have the freedom to go if you don't like it there. As the employer, you create the best working conditions you can, if you expect to attract workers. I'm specifically talking about "1st world" situations. Not whatever obscure little 5th world puissant business might fall under an extremist point of view.

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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that."

    Quote Originally Posted by Velvet Elvis View Post
    Again...is this something the workers of those companies have a problem with? Are they forced to work there?

    Regardless of rules, regulations or practices...the relationship between worker and employer is a two-way street.

    Again....let's say Apple is guilty of all those "bad" hiring practices and working environments. Is anyone forced to work there? Do they have the ability to force a current worker to stay there, if they want to go? As an employee, you have the freedom to go if you don't like it there. As the employer, you create the best working conditions you can, if you expect to attract workers. I'm specifically talking about "1st world" situations. Not whatever obscure little 5th world puissant business might fall under an extremist point of view.
    So you are saying you want to see examples - hypothetical or not - of businesses abusing workers and workers taking it... but only in first world countries that have laws against it? Your argument was: "businesses don't do it here now, so why would they start if we deregulated labor laws?" My argument was that you can see places with no labor laws, and our businesses abuse workers there.

    What else do you want?
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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that."

    Quote Originally Posted by Velvet Elvis View Post
    So, are you insinuating that *if* we got rid of those laws, businesses would just automatically go back to employing children, forcing inhumane work-week hours, and dangerous conditions? How exactly do you think that'd go over?

    Let's say...oh, I dunno....Apple decided to employ 10-year olds, and forced them to work 60 hours a week at $1.00 an hour. Would you buy Apple products knowing that? Know anyone who would? Know anyone who'd actually continue working under those conditions? Know anyone who'd apply for such a job? Think that company would stay in business, if no one wanted to work for them?
    What a coincidence that you mention Apple.....


    Apple has admitted that child labour was used at the factories that build its computers, iPods and mobile phones.....
    Apple admits using child labour - Telegraph


    "APPLE has launched an investigation into practices its factories in China that include child labour, 24 hour working days and unsafe conditions at the plants which manufacture its iPhones, iPads and computers...."
    Apple investigating practices at its factories in China including child labour - Technology, Business - Independent.ie


    "...On Jan. 24, Apple announced “revenue of more than $46 billion” for the quarter ending December 31. Just try to imagine 37 million iPhones: that’s how many Apple sold in just the last three months of 2011 thanks for Apple’s manufacturer in China called ‘Foxconn,’” explained a Jan. 29 report on CBC News “Sunday Morning.” This report also pointed to “The dark side of shiny Apple products” in a lead story headline that detailed massive child “slave labor” and “regular suicides” by those Foxconn employees – including young children -- “who make each and every iPhone by hand,” for what amounts to, state experts, “as slave wages.” At the same time, high tech and cutting edge micro-electronics manufacturing used to be a huge part of the Made in America brand here in Portland’s version of Silicon Valley, but now China’s “Foxconn” is producing the most advanced technology for Apple’s iPhone, iPad and other American high-tech companies are following suit by sending most of their business to Foxconn...."
    Apple's Foxconn electronics manufacturer blamed for Chinese child slave labor | HULIQ


    I worked in Seoul South Korea and there the people work 16 hour days, 6 days a week and they sleep on mats on the floor under their desks during the 8 hours they arent working. It made me appreciate my own country and our labor laws a lot more.
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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that."

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Then everyone's wages would go down because they would be competing with people willing to work for $3 a day.
    Only if they had the skills to compete with whatever job you do.

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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that."

    Quote Originally Posted by washunut View Post
    Only if they had the skills to compete with whatever job you do.
    Aren't we talking about minimum wage jobs? LOL
    Ted Cruz is the dumbest person alive.

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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that."

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    you obviously have a specious and confused understanding of the right.
    Is "specious" your new word of the day? You obviously have a feckless understanding of both the left and the right.

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