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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that."

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Why are we getting so pissy and literalistic when people use common phrasing filled with some hyperbole in one case but seem to have no issue with it in the other case?
    Because we have very little to go on. It seems to me that President Obama rarely goes off script, but when he does, we see how he really feels. This is one of those occasions.
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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that."

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    If someone gets up in front of a group and goes "I couldn't have done it without all your help" do people think the individual is being serious...IE he'd literally been unable to accomplish whatever it is he just did without all the help from specifically every person there....or do you hear it and immedietely understand it's common phrasing with a bit of hyperbole and exaggeration as a means of showing grattitude?

    Why is it then that we immedietely seem to think someone stating that they "Did it on their own" is being 100% literalistic and is meaning that they think they literally gained nothing from anyone in some way that played into what they did, rather than using common phrasing to suggest the importance of their personal drive and determination regarding an issue without having anyone actively significant aiding the on that specific thing.

    If a QB is talking to a bunch of college players and is saying how "To get into the NFL I had to make it on my own. No one could practice for me, I had to be out on that field. No one could put time in the film room for me, I had to devote that time myself. No one could keep myself in shape during the off season, I had to hit the gym every day. If I had been stupid and drank and drove one night and got busted for a DUI and my draft stock fell, that'd be on me. The only person who was responsable for me getting drafted or not is me...and the only person that will be responsible for you being drafted or not is you." are we assuming the man completely forgot or hates his coaches? His trainers? The equipment men or perhaps the teachers that helped him get into the college or anything or that sort? No, but the message at that moment is one of personal responsability and determination and focus. It's the use of a particular phrase that is not meant to be 100% literalistic aimed at instilling a particular message.

    At the same time....

    If a QB is sitting there taking in the lockerroom after a game going "I want to thank all you guys, because this win is because of you. We could've never won that game without this group of players here banding together and doing it. We couldn't have won that game without every person on this roster doing thier job. This win is because of all of us" are we to believe that the QB honestly believes that if they had different players that they would not have been able to win? That if one of the guys that sat on the bench all game but one play didn't "do his job" that they wouldn't have won? That if their star WR had taken a few plays off instead of "banding together" that there would've been no chance they could've won the game? Of course not...again, the individual is using common phrasing to put forward a paritcular message highlighting the community aspect more than the individual.

    Why are we getting so pissy and literalistic when people use common phrasing filled with some hyperbole in one case but seem to have no issue with it in the other case?
    I think its what the common phrasing is used to justify that's the crux.

    Its the "I built this business, and I'll outsource the jobs (or whatever) if I bloody well want to" or "My class already pays most of the income taxes those parasites feed on (or whatever)" that COMES from the "I did it myself" phrasing that rubs some the wrong way.
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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that."

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    If someone gets up in front of a group and goes "I couldn't have done it without all your help" do people think the individual is being serious...IE he'd literally been unable to accomplish whatever it is he just did without all the help from specifically every person there....or do you hear it and immedietely understand it's common phrasing with a bit of hyperbole and exaggeration as a means of showing grattitude?

    Why is it then that we immedietely seem to think someone stating that they "Did it on their own" is being 100% literalistic and is meaning that they think they literally gained nothing from anyone in some way that played into what they did, rather than using common phrasing to suggest the importance of their personal drive and determination regarding an issue without having anyone actively significant aiding the on that specific thing.

    If a QB is talking to a bunch of college players and is saying how "To get into the NFL I had to make it on my own. No one could practice for me, I had to be out on that field. No one could put time in the film room for me, I had to devote that time myself. No one could keep myself in shape during the off season, I had to hit the gym every day. If I had been stupid and drank and drove one night and got busted for a DUI and my draft stock fell, that'd be on me. The only person who was responsable for me getting drafted or not is me...and the only person that will be responsible for you being drafted or not is you." are we assuming the man completely forgot or hates his coaches? His trainers? The equipment men or perhaps the teachers that helped him get into the college or anything or that sort? No, but the message at that moment is one of personal responsability and determination and focus. It's the use of a particular phrase that is not meant to be 100% literalistic aimed at instilling a particular message.

    At the same time....

    If a QB is sitting there taking in the lockerroom after a game going "I want to thank all you guys, because this win is because of you. We could've never won that game without this group of players here banding together and doing it. We couldn't have won that game without every person on this roster doing thier job. This win is because of all of us" are we to believe that the QB honestly believes that if they had different players that they would not have been able to win? That if one of the guys that sat on the bench all game but one play didn't "do his job" that they wouldn't have won? That if their star WR had taken a few plays off instead of "banding together" that there would've been no chance they could've won the game? Of course not...again, the individual is using common phrasing to put forward a paritcular message highlighting the community aspect more than the individual.

    Why are we getting so pissy and literalistic when people use common phrasing filled with some hyperbole in one case but seem to have no issue with it in the other case?
    I agree that, in principle, Obama is not wrong to say that businesses can not survive, much lees thrive, in a vacuum, yet his CONSTANT theme of "the rich" OWE much more to society in taxation is the ONLY reason for this "partnership" nonsense. As Obama talks of "infrasturcture" and the common good, his actual use of spending in the "stimulus" was about 6% "shovel ready" infrastructure and much of the rest simply croney capitalism and "targeted" aid to unions both public and private. How any "jobs" will be created (or saved) by getting 85 billion in extra taxation from "the rich" is never explained.
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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that."

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    I think its what the common phrasing is used to justify that's the crux.

    Its the "I built this business, and I'll outsource the jobs (or whatever) if I bloody well want to" or "My class already pays most of the income taxes those parasites feed on (or whatever)" that COMES from the "I did it myself" phrasing that rubs some the wrong way.
    What you overlook is that regardless of outsourced jobs for unskilled tasks....those companies still employ Americans and only outsource the jobs because they can not hire Americans to do them and still make a profit. If they didn't make a profit, you'd have no 1% to bitch about.
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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that."

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    What you overlook is that regardless of outsourced jobs for unskilled tasks....those companies still employ Americans and only outsource the jobs because they can not hire Americans to do them and still make a profit...
    oh really?

    they will lose any profits if they hire Americans?

    got any evidence for that?

    sounds like mere propaganda from outsourcers.
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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that."

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Because we have very little to go on. It seems to me that President Obama rarely goes off script, but when he does, we see how he really feels. This is one of those occasions.
    I was talking about those who were stating such disdain for people who "Did it themselves".

    Though it was fun to watch different people read my post and get entirely different thoughts based on their particular outlook as to which argument is more legitimate than the other.

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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that."

    Quote Originally Posted by kamikaze483 View Post
    At a campaign stop in Roanoke, VA, Obama takes a shot at entreprenuers and small business owners, suggesting that they are not responsible for the success of their own businesses.

    IMO, blatant comments such as these show the disrespect that Obama has for ingenuity, resourcefulness, and hard work. I do not think comments such as these will benefit him among independent and other swing voters.

    Also, I find it interesting that no other major news outlet other than Fox News picked up this story. Interesting, but not surprising.

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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that."

    Quote Originally Posted by 0bserver92 View Post
    What the hell does that do? It's not in context.
    Why is it when Hussein Obama steps on his crank and makes a dumb statement you lefties always say it was taken out of context? Does Hussein ever sya anything in context?
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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that."

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    oh really?

    they will lose any profits if they hire Americans?

    got any evidence for that?

    sounds like mere propaganda from outsourcers.
    Why do you think companies outsource? Oursourcing (contracting with overseas service providers) is much less expensive than hiring Americans. Reason 1) Because contractors are cheaper than employees in many ways, not excluding the lack of FICA match with a contractor. 2) American regulation jacks up overhead administrative costs. Companies who outsource have already decided to contract the work out to other companies. In choosing which contractor (whether foreign or domestic) they choose which will have the best impact on their bottom line.

    Here are 12 reasons companies outsource:

    12 Reasons Companies Outsource Operations Overseas | Shrinkage Is Good
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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that."

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    oh really?

    they will lose any profits if they hire Americans?

    We're shipping American jobs to China as fast as we can.

    If you want those jobs to come back to America, tell your Congressmen to change our environmental and labor laws so they are similar to China's.

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