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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that."

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    The problem is you do take something from his hard work. His grandfather paid for his education...but he managed to get the oppertunity to have that educaiton due to the work he put into school to get the grades and the extracurriculurs to get accepted to that school. His grandfather managed to continue to pay for that education because he was successfully working at college to be able to pass the classes and learn his trade to allow himself the oppertunity to pay to stay in college. And on and on. That's my point. You choose in that paragraph to focus LARGELY on hyping up and promoting all the help he got while giving little to no credit to his individual efforts. The only mentions you made from it was a negative statement about how he BELIEVES it was all on his own and a statement of saying you "take nothing from his hard work" after you spent the entire post focusing singularly on his help from others.

    The real differnece isn't that some recognize this, and others seek to take all the credit. The real differnece is that some wish to propogate and talk up one side and others with to do the other side and few rarely give equal play or credit to both. Because the reality is there's no real subjective way to say which one truly caused the other or allowed for the other or had more impact because you just simply can't test for that.

    This won't hurt Obama because people "cannot see how anyone every helped anyone who was successful"...it will hurt Obama because while he focused on propping up the community aspect and severely downplayed the individual side of it, there are others who choose to simply act the opposite way of Obama and promote the individual aspect of the community. The difference is you seem to imply that those who view it the latter are somehow more "wrong" or less "right" than Obama's.
    It will hurt him because he made poor choices with those words. He already gave credit to individuals, but those who want to claim otherwise can just pick up those words and claimed he didn't. This would be his arugula and "clinging to their faith" moment. Too bad he didn't learn from it and nobody on his team saw how those words could be played.
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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that."

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Good luck getting the goods and services you require without a well managed business to provide them.
    Good luck getting the raw materials and resources the business depends on without other people/businesses producing them. Not to mention an educated labor pool so the business can hire other qualified people in order to have a well managed business.

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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that."

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Every bit of that is factually incorrect. If I own a business based off of my ideas and the employees all pissed me off I could fire every last one of them, rehire a new crew, and still have my business. For that sentence to be true it would have to follow that I created the business, not my employees, and frankly it is true.
    Just because you can change the people working for you doesn't change the fact that you need people working for you. Frankly, if you are the kind of person who think that you can fire your whole screw at a moment's notice without consequences, you wouldn't go very far in business. People who succeed in business depends on others they trust, you can't build a multi-million dollar business without delegating responsibilities.
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    And I wasn't making an appeal to authority, I was making an appeal to the philosophical body of work of the founders, the worth and content of which should be well-known to anyone with a cursory understanding of basic history and philosophy.

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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that."

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Not sucking on the public teat makes one less dependent on the public teat and thus less beholden to those tho supply the public teat with milk-democrat politicians

    You know, after hearing the "you didn't build" quote and the more I read comments here, I'm starting to believe exactly that.

    Is this more of the "there are no winners and no losers"?

    Yup, my friend used the "roads", she used the "education system", she used the "banking system", but so did/does everyone that didn't succeed. So are "we" responsible for their failure?

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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that."

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    No, no, no...Obama said it...you didn't do it, someone did it for you. You're not successful because of what you did. You're successful because of what someome else did. You didn't work harder, nor are you smarter; plenty of smart, hard working folks out there.

    Basically, you got lucky and that's the only reason you're successful. Obama said so.
    Do you know the difference between somebody GIVING you something and you working cooperatively with others so that their is mutual benefit and gain? That is a concept that we try to teach small children. It is sad that some on the far right never learned this or forgot the lesson as they aged.

    I am successfully because of a multitude of factors and that includes what others in society did for me as well as what I did myself for myself. To ignore either part of the formula is simply ridiculous.
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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that."

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    yeah and NOT private businesses.

    so Obama was right.
    major fail on your part

    many road projects are contracted to private businesses. and tax dollars from those entities provide tons of tax dollars.

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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that."

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Do you know the difference between somebody GIVING you something and you working cooperatively with others so that their is mutual benefit and gain? That is a concept that we try to teach small children. It is sad that some on the far right never learned this or forgot the lesson as they aged.

    I am successfully because of a multitude of factors and that includes what others in society did for me as well as what I did myself for myself. To ignore either part of the formula is simply ridiculous.

    and to claim you now have some additional duty t pay those people more and more of what you have if they are failures is idiotic too.

    Obama was merely trying to justify his grab of private sector dollars.

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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that."

    Quote Originally Posted by Billy the Kid View Post
    You know, after hearing the "you didn't build" quote and the more I read comments here, I'm starting to believe exactly that.

    Is this more of the "there are no winners and no losers"?

    Yup, my friend used the "roads", she used the "education system", she used the "banking system", but so did/does everyone that didn't succeed. So are "we" responsible for their failure?

    the underlying philosophy of the Parasite Support Team is that no one should have any individual rights or responsibilities but rather everyone is tasked with making the hive better (and making the queen bees more comfortable).

    remember what your parents may have said to you (in my case over four decades ago)? If you want rights you have to accept responsibilities. People like Obama see most people as little children who "need" the enlightened elite to take care of them. Holding that attitude requires you to strip them of both their rights and their responsibilities.

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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that."

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    yeah and NOT private businesses.

    so Obama was right.
    No he wasn't, because this country is more than just common interest things like roads and bridges. The people that take risk built this country, not the government.
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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that."

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    No he wasn't, because this country is more than just common interest things like roads and bridges. The people that take risk built this country, not the government.

    and those sucking on the public tit are generally a drag on society and the rest of us

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