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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that."

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    You labor under the delusion that welfare has not become intergenerational in many cases
    By all means, if you contend that, do present your facts and figures.

    And once again, your statement assumes that anyone on public assistance will ALWAYS be on it and NEVER pay ANY taxes.

    So lets see just how wide of a problem this is.
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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that."

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Since someone gave you all that education and gave your teaching job, hows about you tell us?
    Nobody GAVE me my education. I paid for it. My teaching job was a job just like any other. You labor and you get paid.
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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that."

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    You labor under the delusion that welfare has not become intergenerational in many cases
    Ya know come to think of it there are many intergenerational families that rely off of daddy's money.

    At one time they even even interbred. So much so that hemophilia could come to be almost expected.

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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that."

    Obama is right, no man is an island.

    Without other people, nobodies business would exist because there would be no one to buy their products or services that ultimately determines whether or not their business is a success. Good luck having a business without customers aka people.
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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that."

    Quote Originally Posted by Μολὼν λαβέ View Post
    Getting across the message that having, or even needing help becoming successful is polar opposite to "If youíve got a business, you didnít build that. Somebody else made that happen." Like I stated before, if Obama hadn't made that statement we wouldn't even be having this conversation.

    Everyone knows Obama is all about big government and you need the government because under his administration more and more have become government dependent.

    It's really a sad and dysfunctional statement about American ingenuity and resourcefulness, i. e., the American way of life (as we new it before Obama.)
    No, it isn't. It is exactly the message. And whenever anyone starts with everyone knows (assuming things not settled fallacy), that person has already lost the debate.

    What it seems to be you're doing here is projecting a political ideology into his statements. I think we should move beyond this type of tactic.

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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that."

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Nobody GAVE me my education. I paid for it. My teaching job was a job just like any other. You labor and you get paid.
    No, no, no...Obama said it...you didn't do it, someone did it for you. You're not successful because of what you did. You're successful because of what someome else did. You didn't work harder, nor are you smarter; plenty of smart, hard working folks out there.

    Basically, you got lucky and that's the only reason you're successful. Obama said so.

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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that."

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Obama is right, no man is an island.

    Without other people, nobodies business would exist because there would be no one to buy their products or services that ultimately determines whether or not their business is a success. Good luck having a business without customers aka people.
    Good luck getting the goods and services you require without a well managed business to provide them.

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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that."

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    And, the part he conveniently leaves out, is that without the private sector the government wouldn't exist.
    That is simply false. Government existed without the private sector, they just weren't very healthy or lasted very long, not the big ones at least. Besides, since he didn't say the private sector didn't play a role, that's beside the point entirely.

    I find it funny that the GOP supporters are now not so puritan about the degrading nature of negative ads, and how only the stupid fall for the blatant dishonesty in them. The OP's writer, who spent posts and posts speculating about how SEC regulations require one to do this or that, now doesn't even feel the need to even read and understand OBbama's speech in its context.

    Negative attacks are great when it suits your purpose, doesn't it?
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    And I wasn't making an appeal to authority, I was making an appeal to the philosophical body of work of the founders, the worth and content of which should be well-known to anyone with a cursory understanding of basic history and philosophy.

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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that."

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    No, no, no...Obama said it...you didn't do it, someone did it for you. You're not successful because of what you did. You're successful because of what someome else did. You didn't work harder, nor are you smarter; plenty of smart, hard working folks out there.

    Basically, you got lucky and that's the only reason you're successful. Obama said so.
    Really, when and where did Obama say that?

    "....There are a lot of wealthy, successful Americans who agree with me — because they want to give something back. They know they didn’t — look, if you’ve been successful, you didn’t get there on your own. You didn’t get there on your own. I’m always struck by people who think, well, it must be because I was just so smart. There are a lot of smart people out there. It must be because I worked harder than everybody else. Let me tell you something — there are a whole bunch of hardworking people out there. (Applause.) If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business — you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn’t get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet. The point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together. There are some things, just like fighting fires, we don’t do on our own. I mean, imagine if everybody had their own fire service. That would be a hard way to organize fighting fires....."

    Remarks by the President at a Campaign Event in Roanoke, Virginia | The White House

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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that."

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Really, when and where did Obama say that?

    "....There are a lot of wealthy, successful Americans who agree with me — because they want to give something back. They know they didn’t — look, if you’ve been successful, you didn’t get there on your own. You didn’t get there on your own. I’m always struck by people who think, well, it must be because I was just so smart. There are a lot of smart people out there. It must be because I worked harder than everybody else. Let me tell you something — there are a whole bunch of hardworking people out there. (Applause.) If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business — you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn’t get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet. The point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together. There are some things, just like fighting fires, we don’t do on our own. I mean, imagine if everybody had their own fire service. That would be a hard way to organize fighting fires....."

    Remarks by the President at a Campaign Event in Roanoke, Virginia | The White House
    He didn't. But there are ideologies to feed.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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