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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that."

    You are ignoring the reality of the public record and history.

    Tennessee Valley Authority - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    read it and you will learn of the massive governmental role in this undertaking.

    Hoover Dam - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    would not have been done with out government in on this project.
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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that."

    Quote Originally Posted by kamikaze483 View Post
    Ok apdst. Tell him the name of your business. LOL.
    I am far more interested in the name of the self sufficient and self sustaining independent island nation he created and lives on all by himself .
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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that."

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Without the "private sector," there is no government. There's no money for Hoover Dam and the TVA. Perhaps he should do a speech about that. Ha!
    I do not remember anyone taking issue with the need for a private sector.
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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that."

    Quote Originally Posted by Meathead View Post
    The taxpayer. Stupid question.
    Actually you provided a stupid answer.

    And they all just showed up one day with their materials and did it right?
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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that."

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    And again, that's your objective reasoning placing importance onto one portion and devaluing the other. That's fine to do, but it's also no different than what Obama is doing. You make the argument that without that "special" something in her first, the community wouldn't have mattered. Someone could turn right back around and say that she could have all the "special" in her she wanted....if the drugstore guy wouldn't hire her, if the school didn't have teachers that facilitated her education, if that college didn't deem it worth while to have night classes, if the places she worked full time didn't hire her, if the USPS wasn't an entity to work for, if she didn't likely have the family and friends that undoubtably must've helped her in some fashion while being "off her feet", if she didn't have her friend to start the accounting business with, etc etc etc...then that "special" in her would've been for naught or at least for less.

    Again, there's nothing wrong with you valuing one side more and feeling that it means more and devaluing the other side. But excuse me if I don't buy individuals on either side getting so high and mighty as to believe that their opinion on it is some absolute truth regarding it because everything they use to argue is entirely subjective and guessing based.

    I personally am one of those people that tends to value the individual more than the community and place a larger amount of the burden/praise on that. However, I recognize that it's my subjective opinion and not some universal truth.


    My friend had more than the average person going against her and fought back. It wasn't an easy win and it took her a long time to accomplish what she set out to do, but she did it. IMO, to say she didn't build her business, through her own hard work is beyond me to understand. But I guess you can see it both ways.

    I can't.

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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that."

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    Sounds like she pulled herself up by her bootstraps, which is great. But of course, the system helps with that. Perhaps she attended a community college for a few years, which makes things much cheaper. Or maybe she received some sort of government subsidy.

    Either way, she navigated the system effectively and improved her life. I think what Obama and liberals want to do is to make it easier - or accessible - for people like her. The idea that any person is successful all on his/her own is ridiculous.
    Nope they want the outcome to be equal regardless of effort because that's only "fair" This is the byproduct of the participation trophy generation coming to fruition. You can have what you want just for showing up with no real effort or risk of failure required.

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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that."

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    I do not remember anyone taking issue with the need for a private sector.
    Of course not, as long as the private sector is dictated and controlled by the government.
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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that."

    Quote Originally Posted by Arbo View Post
    Who ever said businesses would do it themselves? You are putting forth the classic moving of the goal posts. The point is without all the businesses, the government wouldn't have the money to spend on good things it should do, or to waste on all the stuff it wastes on. Government exists because of business, not the inverse.
    Wait a minute. You are argument is that maybe, possibly, shoulda, coulda and woulda? Amazing. Some of us ae discussing reality why others are pretending that alternative universises would have contained different histories.
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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that."

    Quote Originally Posted by Bronson View Post
    Have you ever tried to start your own business?

    Certainly doesn't sound like it
    I know I have. Two of them. Pretty damn successful also. Some of us here actually know what it is to run a business and that is where we learned. Others seems to have learned the virtues of capitalism from textbooks and right wing radio.
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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that."

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Actually you provided a stupid answer.

    And they all just showed up one day with their materials and did it right?
    Do we forget that the government is supposed to be by the people and for the people? Every government action is taken on behalf of the taxpayer. The taxpayer is the client that provides the money, and right now, the client isn't happy because the government is, while taking their money, acting on behalf of the freeloaders.
    "We need to ask some very tough questions of the senator from Illinois. It's not enough to be black, it's not enough to be articulate, it's not enough to be eloquent and a media darling. The only question will be how deaf an ear, or how blind an eye will people turn in order to turn a frog into a prince." -Eddie Huff

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