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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that."

    Quote Originally Posted by solletica View Post
    Absolutely.

    The day there's a conservative who doesn't blame the government for his job woes and/or depend on the government is the day the temperature of Hell reaches 32 F or John Boehner has an erection (intellectually or physically).
    Clearly you don't know what you are talking about. I don't receive one iota of assistance from the government in my business and never have. Never. Not once. All I get from the government are more requirements, mandates, regulations, rules, penalties, and hassles- trying to force me to fit my business into the box they have created for it.
    "We need to ask some very tough questions of the senator from Illinois. It's not enough to be black, it's not enough to be articulate, it's not enough to be eloquent and a media darling. The only question will be how deaf an ear, or how blind an eye will people turn in order to turn a frog into a prince." -Eddie Huff

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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that."

    Quote Originally Posted by kamikaze483 View Post
    This was very unlibertarian of you. We don't thank the government for our livelihoods.
    The government is the only reason apdst had any business at all, because it was the government that did the un-Libertarian thing of shielding offshore drillers from liability; without that shield, there would be no offshore drilling at all, and hence, no need for anyone like apdst to service the rigs.

    In a Libertarian system, there would be no government shielding anyone from liability. And that's the system I want. And, of course, in such a system, apdst would have no business since there would be no offshore drilling in such a system.

    Bottom line: conservatives like apdst could not survive in a Libertarian (free market) environment. Businesses like his can only survive in a non-free market system where government steps in to shield firms from liability.

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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that."

    Quote Originally Posted by kamikaze483 View Post
    Clearly you don't know what you are talking about. I don't receive one iota of assistance from the government
    You do. Who do you think made the laws that force taxpayers to pick up the tab for oil spills? It was the federal government. If it weren't for that piece of (stupid) regulation, you would have nothing.

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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that."

    without that shield, there would be no offshore drilling at all, and hence, no need for anyone like apdst to service the rigs.
    Without government intervention there would have never been a ban on offshore drilling. Perhaps the parties who had liability in the spill might have bankrupted, but the great thing about a profit driven capitalist marketplace is that disaster creates opportunity. Off shore drilling would surely have continued absent government intervention. The only question is which companies would have been doing it.

    In a Libertarian system, there would be no government shielding anyone from liability
    True. But "liability" would have a totally different meaning and application in a libertarian system.

    since there would be no offshore drilling in such a system
    Yes there would have been.

    Businesses like his can only survive in a non-free market system where government steps in to shield firms from liability.
    I doubt you know anything at all about his business. And neither do I.
    Last edited by kamikaze483; 07-17-12 at 03:56 PM.
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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that."

    Quote Originally Posted by solletica View Post
    You do. Who do you think made the laws that force taxpayers to pick up the tab for oil spills? It was the federal government. If it weren't for that piece of (stupid) regulation, you would have nothing.
    What? My business is healthcare. The government assisting in a natural disaster has never occurred in my area and has never affected my business. I, truly, do not see your point. Nor do I understand WHAT you are talking about.
    "We need to ask some very tough questions of the senator from Illinois. It's not enough to be black, it's not enough to be articulate, it's not enough to be eloquent and a media darling. The only question will be how deaf an ear, or how blind an eye will people turn in order to turn a frog into a prince." -Eddie Huff

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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that."

    Quote Originally Posted by kamikaze483 View Post
    Without government intervention there would have never been a ban on offshore drilling.
    If it weren't for government intervention, there would be no liability shield and hence no offshore drilling at all, since no oil company could afford the total cost of their spills.

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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that."

    Quote Originally Posted by kamikaze483 View Post
    What? My business is healthcare. The government assisting in a natural disaster has never occurred in my area and has never affected my business. I, truly, do not see your point. Nor do I understand WHAT you are talking about.
    I was talking about apdst's business business of servicing rigs. My bad.

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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that."

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Nobody built my business for me. I'm the one that borrowed the money. I'm the one that paid the taxes. I pay the note. It was my ass if it flopped. I don't recall a single person saying, "hey dude, don't worry. If your business flops, I'm going to be right their with you". Not my customers, the government, nobody.

    Obama's comments take away personal accomplishment and a sense of self worth for every ambitious person in this country. Pissin' on our parade, as the saying goes.
    What is the name of the sels sufficient, self sustaining independent island nation you created, live on and built all by yourself?
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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that."

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Some private construction companies? Where did the money come from? Without the private sector, neither of those projects would have existed.
    You are ignoring the reality of the public record and history.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tennessee_Valley_Authority

    read it and you will learn of the massive governmental role in this undertaking.
    Last edited by haymarket; 07-17-12 at 04:04 PM.
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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that."

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    What is the name of the sels sufficient, self sustaining independent island nation you created, live on and built all by yourself?
    Ok apdst. Tell him the name of your business. LOL.
    "We need to ask some very tough questions of the senator from Illinois. It's not enough to be black, it's not enough to be articulate, it's not enough to be eloquent and a media darling. The only question will be how deaf an ear, or how blind an eye will people turn in order to turn a frog into a prince." -Eddie Huff

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