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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that."

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Where did the money come from to build the interstate system?

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    So if we just waited, businesses would build it themselves, right? Because they're usually about throwing around money and profits.


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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that."

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    So if we just waited, businesses would build it themselves, right? Because they're usually about throwing around money and profits.
    Yep, I'm sure they would have all gotten together and pooled their resources -- maybe even agreeing to some kind of assessment on profits, and formed a group to collect the assessments, and other groups to contract out the work and oversee the construction, and then perhaps they'd have agreed to additional assessments to pay for maintenance and expansion.... Hmm, I think that's what we call government and taxes.
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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that."

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    So if we just waited, businesses would build it themselves, right? Because they're usually about throwing around money and profits.
    Who ever said businesses would do it themselves? You are putting forth the classic moving of the goal posts. The point is without all the businesses, the government wouldn't have the money to spend on good things it should do, or to waste on all the stuff it wastes on. Government exists because of business, not the inverse.
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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that."

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Yep, I'm sure they would have all gotten together and pooled their resources -- maybe even agreeing to some kind of assessment on profits, and formed a group to collect the assessments, and other groups to contract out the work and oversee the construction, and then perhaps they'd have agreed to additional assessments to pay for maintenance and expansion.... Hmm, I think that's what we call government and taxes.
    But when the gov't decides to "build" a Solyndra instead of a dam is that equally good? Building PUBLIC infrastructure is not the ONLY thing that gov't spends tax money on. One can have legitimate debate on what is GOOD public policy without having to say the ALL public spending is bad. One can also acknowedge that private investment, production and invention has helped the entire population as well. Is it not odd, that out of the massive "stimulus" package, that only 6% was allocated for those "shovel ready" infrasctructure projects? Just because a president is a "wonderful" speaker does not mean that they actually DO what they say. A gov't may indeed produce infrastructure for the common good, or it may also impose regulations to shut down company X and at the same time subsidize company Y.
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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that."

    [QUOTE=kamikaze483;1060697439]Do you think this was a prepared speech? I had just assumed this was a more impromptu, off the cuff statement. If it was prepared in advance... if he let it go through like that... that's even worse.[/QUOTE

    I'm pretty sure you can take this to the bank: Obama never gives an off-the-cuff statement.

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    95% of small businesses in the US are in one of 3 states. . .

    1) Failed (Chapter 7/11/13 filing)
    2) About to fail
    3) Barely surviving

    Truthfully, what the government does or doesn't do has little impact on a business' long-term survival. Ultimately, it's the businesses' management (or owners) that make or break it.

    Any business owner who blames Obama for his business failing, therefore, is dumb.
    I think many, if not most, businesses succeed despite onerous government interference.
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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that."

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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that."

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    So if we just waited, businesses would build it themselves, right? Because they're usually about throwing around money and profits.
    Have you ever tried to start your own business?

    Certainly doesn't sound like it

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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that."

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    If he'd flunked out, I'm sure he would have shouldered that blame all on his own.
    Maybe. Certainly some would see it that way. But, it may have been lack of the proper help. I support being honest in both directions. Not sure why you see this as wrong.

    However, it reminds me of a Billy Joel Song. Part of it went something like this: "You're not the only one who's made mistake, but they are the only thing you can turely call your own."
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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that."

    Quote Originally Posted by Billy the Kid View Post
    I have a friend, a woman, who came from such dire proverty, I'm not talking no air conditioning proverty, I'm talking no inside bathroom and leaking roof proverty. The house would have been condemed if anyone had found them living in these conditions.

    This lady and all her sisters decided they were not going to go out in the same conditions. She got a job as a drugstore clerk as soon as she could work. Graduated from HS went to work fulltime and college at night. She graduated from college after 10 years of working fulltime and going to school, that she paid for. One of the reasons it took her so long, because she is/was smart, was she worked for the USPS and while working drove her little car under a bus. She was in the hospital for 2 months in traction for multiple breaks in one leg. Took her sometime to get back on her feet, literally. She had to drop out in her senior year due to the bills and injury. She went back to finish 2 years later.

    She started her own accounting business with her friend. She is doing well now due to her hard work. She works from January to April, every year, 7 days a week 12-14 hours a day. She has 5 employees and pays for their HC and a fair wage.

    This lady built her business stick by stick, her own hard work and something "special" in her that drove her to succeed. Without this something "special" in her first, it wouldn't matter what the community or the govt "did", she is the reason that she succeeded.
    And again, that's your objective reasoning placing importance onto one portion and devaluing the other. That's fine to do, but it's also no different than what Obama is doing. You make the argument that without that "special" something in her first, the community wouldn't have mattered. Someone could turn right back around and say that she could have all the "special" in her she wanted....if the drugstore guy wouldn't hire her, if the school didn't have teachers that facilitated her education, if that college didn't deem it worth while to have night classes, if the places she worked full time didn't hire her, if the USPS wasn't an entity to work for, if she didn't likely have the family and friends that undoubtably must've helped her in some fashion while being "off her feet", if she didn't have her friend to start the accounting business with, etc etc etc...then that "special" in her would've been for naught or at least for less.

    Again, there's nothing wrong with you valuing one side more and feeling that it means more and devaluing the other side. But excuse me if I don't buy individuals on either side getting so high and mighty as to believe that their opinion on it is some absolute truth regarding it because everything they use to argue is entirely subjective and guessing based.

    I personally am one of those people that tends to value the individual more than the community and place a larger amount of the burden/praise on that. However, I recognize that it's my subjective opinion and not some universal truth.

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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that."

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Well, if some guy/gal didn't put in a lot of hard work to get a business going, the government wouldn't have done it in their place. Seems to me that without the entrepenuer, there is no business. The same can not be said about the government.
    "Community/environment" doesn't speak just to government.

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