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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that." [W:417]

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post

    You're showing some real nutter stuff. It really makes those who swallow this look bad.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that." [W:417]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    You're showing some real nutter stuff. It really makes those who swallow this look bad.
    After that scene, Costner goes into a long speech about how it's ALL the individual -- teamwork doesn't matter. It's each player pulling for himself. You can't spell team without "ME".
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

    -- Adam Smith

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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that."

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Nonsense. True, we could have them as we did in the great depression. Jobs didn't just spring up then either. We just let people suffer. His reasoning assumes that the only reason is people wanting to be on the dole. There is little to no evidence to support that for the majority.
    I see. Well I can't see how you came to that conclusion on his reasoning based on the posts.
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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that."

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    If they didn't want to what? Feed their children?
    If you followed along you would not be confusing the 'they' and the 'what'.
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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that." [W:417]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    You're showing some real nutter stuff. It really makes those who swallow this look bad.
    Meh, it's still worth it for the chuckles...

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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that."

    Quote Originally Posted by Aberration View Post
    I see. Well I can't see how you came to that conclusion on his reasoning based on the posts.
    You might try reading them again.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that."

    If Obama's argument is that government "helps" people have successful businesses, maybe he should know that business start up's are at a 30 year low. Now, I don't know about you guys, but the roads and bridges here are in much better shape than they were 30 years ago.

    Wanna know what is UP under Obama?
    Unemployment, gas prices, food prices, regulations, underemployment, DEBT, college tuition, welfare, Iran's nuclear program, middle east turmoil.

    Wanna know what is DOWN under Obama?
    Housing, business start ups, tax revenue, job creation, entreprenuership, college graduation rates, high school graduation rates, consumer confidence.

    How on Earth can anyone claim he's doing even a decent job? So, if Obama's argument that businesses wouldn't be successful without government, perhaps some crazy liberal can point to where Obama has made anything better? It's the time old question, "Am I better off now than I was 4 years ago?"

    For most Americans, I'de say oh hell no. Unemployment is up. Food prices up. Gas prices up. College tuition up. Number of people on welfare up. Number of people who have given up looking for a job up. Home ownership down. Tax revenues down. Security in middle east down. New business start ups way down. Graduation rates down.

    There's not a liberal in the country who can say, with a straight face, that the Obama presidency has been a successful one. Unless of course, succeeding means driving up the cost of living, killing American jobs, and strapping the nation with debt we cant pay back. If those are the goals of liberals, then he's been a smashing success.

    What has Obama ever built in his entire life? I bet he helped build a few protest banners back in the day......

    .....forgot to include one of the most important things to liberals. WAGES. Yep, you guessed it, under Obama, wages are also DOWN. Let's hear it for our manchild President!!!!
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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that."

    Quote Originally Posted by Masada View Post
    If Obama's argument is that government "helps" people have successful businesses, maybe he should know that business start up's are at a 30 year low.
    Know what's at a 44-year low? Taxation! But wait, I thought low taxes resulted in job creation!! Why aren't we up to our asses in jobs? Did the Republicans lie to us?!
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that."

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Know what's at a 44-year low? Taxation! But wait, I thought low taxes resulted in job creation!! Why aren't we up to our asses in jobs? Did the Republicans lie to us?!
    Politicians lie to us that whatever scheme they've come up with is going to solve our economic woes. It never really does, though they stop at nothing to take credit or blame their political opponents when things go awry.

    By definition, government is not an entity that "helps" particular individuals do something or another. Everything it does is an interference. Some interference is needed (regulation and taxation), and some is not. The benefits of government projects are supposed to be for the people generally, i.e. the general welfare of the country, not specific groups like corporations or the poor.

    So as I've said repeatedly, "help" is not the word to use to explain why successful people in general are successful.

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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that."

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    Know what's at a 44-year low? Taxation! But wait, I thought low taxes resulted in job creation!! Why aren't we up to our asses in jobs? Did the Republicans lie to us?!
    It does lead to job creation, but since the job loss is so massive you need much lower taxes to combat it. 44-year low says nothing towards that.

    Without the low taxes unemployment would be much worse.
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