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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that."

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Which came from the fruits of business. There's no chicken/egg relationship here; business came first.
    No, community came first, trade was second.
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    If you wanna know why Trumpsters are ignoring you its for the same reason you ignored the KKKs complaints about Obama.
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    When it comes down to it, all facts are cherry picked.
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    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that."

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    The last of the construction bonds were retired in 1971, with $35 million in principal and nearly $39 million in interest raised entirely from bridge tolls.
    Sure. But it got built on Bank of America's money.

    It was repaid by private contributions from the drivers who rode over it (that is, the tolls). If business derives more benefit from the bridge -- uses it more -- then business paid more of the tolls. So, voila, business made it happen, and business contributed most to retiring the bonds.

    Thus, my point is even more solid. Still wanna help?
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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that."

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    No, community came first, trade was second.
    Who said anything about "community"? It was about taxes.
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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that."

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Sure. But it got built on Bank of America's money.

    It was repaid by private contributions from the drivers who rode over it (that is, the tolls). If business derives more benefit from the bridge -- uses it more -- then business paid more of the tolls. So, voila, business made it happen, and business contributed most to retiring the bonds.

    Thus, my point is even more solid. Still wanna help?
    You are going to have to prove that business paid more of a toll. How did a business who gained greatly for the increased traffic to his door pay more directly in tolls? The marginal cost to deliveries is FAR outweighed by the overwhelming increase in traffic.
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    If you wanna know why Trumpsters are ignoring you its for the same reason you ignored the KKKs complaints about Obama.
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    When it comes down to it, all facts are cherry picked.
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    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that."

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Who said anything about "community"? It was about taxes.
    Chicken/egg does exist, community is the egg...ie first.
    Quote Originally Posted by trouble13 View Post
    If you wanna know why Trumpsters are ignoring you its for the same reason you ignored the KKKs complaints about Obama.
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    When it comes down to it, all facts are cherry picked.
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    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that."

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    You are going to have to prove that business paid more of a toll.
    Heh. Weeeeeeak. I mean, I get it; you thought you had a slam dunk and it got turned around on you in a split second, but dude, really. It would have been better that you just didn't respond at all.

    If you want to play this little game, you're going to have to prove that business uses it more often, and that they derive a greater benefits.

    Oh, and by the way -- here's the toll schedule. The trucks that businesses use pay at LEAST three times as much as as a passenger car, and for most anything with a trailer, five times as much.


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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that."

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    Chicken/egg does exist, community is the egg...ie first.
    No form of civilization above hunter-gatherer exists without trade. No taxes exist without trade.
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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that."

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Heh. Weeeeeeak. I mean, I get it; you thought you had a slam dunk and it got turned around on you in a split second, but dude, really. It would have been better that you just didn't respond at all.

    If you want to play this little game, you're going to have to prove that business uses it more often, and that they derive a greater benefits.

    Oh, and by the way -- here's the toll schedule. The trucks that businesses use pay at LEAST three times as much as as a passenger car, and for most anything with a trailer, five times as much.


    Teh.
    Is that it? If you had come back with "well delivery business located in SF do pay".....then I would have conceded to that exception, but trucks going into SF are more often making multiple stops, so the toll burden is spread out, is marginal, and is totally overshadowed by the increased traffic to the owners door that he is not having to pay for. Again, if you can't show he is paying in some way directly for that increased traffic, you don't have a point.
    Quote Originally Posted by trouble13 View Post
    If you wanna know why Trumpsters are ignoring you its for the same reason you ignored the KKKs complaints about Obama.
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    When it comes down to it, all facts are cherry picked.
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    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that."

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    No form of civilization above hunter-gatherer exists without trade. No taxes exist without trade.
    You keep ignoring
    which came first.
    Quote Originally Posted by trouble13 View Post
    If you wanna know why Trumpsters are ignoring you its for the same reason you ignored the KKKs complaints about Obama.
    Quote Originally Posted by Moderate Right View Post
    When it comes down to it, all facts are cherry picked.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that."

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    Is that it?


    Nice bravado in the face of being utterly decimated.

    If you had come back with "well delivery business located in SF do pay".....then I would have conceded to that exception, but trucks going into SF are more often making multiple stops, so the toll burden is spread out, is marginal, and is totally overshadowed by the increased traffic to the owners door that he is not having to pay for. Again, if you can't show he is paying in some way directly for that increased traffic, you don't have a point.


    What "increased traffic"?

    If there's more business traffic, and they're paying five times the toll on top of that, then they're paying considerably more tolls than the average Joe in the family car.

    You imply it doesn't match the increased benefit, so dazzle us with all the figures -- how much more benefit, exactly, do businesses derive from the bridge, and how short does paying five times the toll fall?

    Numbers, math, documentation, all that. Keep in mind all that this "benefit" must outweigh, including the sum total of the tolls paid by passenger cars -- and the "benefit" the people in those cars get by using the bridge.
    Last edited by Harshaw; 08-04-12 at 01:13 PM.
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