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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that."

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    1) None of that would happen, if someone didn't get off their asses and go start a business.

    2) None of that would happen, if someone didn't get off their asses, go start a business and pay taxes to fund construction of that infrastructure.

    It's true, that without that infrastructure businesses would have a harder time doing business, however at the end of the day, it takes that one person displaying some ambition, getting off his ass and making something happen. To say otherwise cheapens the entrepreneurial spirit in this country.

    Well said.

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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that."

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Consumers don't frequent a business just to be nice. They have a demand for a good, or service and that business owner meets that demand.

    Consumers don't spend money for the hell of it.

    Employees don't work for free.

    Banks want their money back, with interest.

    And, those businesses did just as much to pay for all that infrastructure as anyone else.
    The business owners do not operate their business in a vacuum. Without the consumer, there is no business. You are correct in that it is more than just the consumer and owner. What I was getting at is that it isn't just the owner, which is what Obama was saying.

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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that."

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Then I suppose Obama also claims that no one is really responsible for his or her failures too. That also is the result of other people. We are all just workers of the big ant hive, also born to live and die serving the hive.

    Only malcontent evil people claim any individuality or lack of life obligation to the good of the hive.
    first you call Obama a Fascist.

    now he's a malcontent. do you have anything of substance to say about him or just gonna make stupid attacks?

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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that."

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    The business owners do not operate their business in a vacuum.
    Is this the latest Leftist talking point? How many times has this been used in this thread?

    Without the consumer, there is no business. You just confirmed what I said that it takes more than the owners.
    Without consumer demand. If a business owner meets that demand, he purdy much did that on his own.

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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that."

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    first you call Obama a Fascist.

    now he's a malcontent. do you have anything of substance to say about him or just gonna make stupid attacks?
    By, "substance", do you mean agree with everything he says?

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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that."

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    There's nothing unclear about what he said ... if you actually reall all the words. Not reading all the words is apparently a right-brain problem.
    There was nothing unclear about it. We can agree on that.
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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that."

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Chicken and egg, chicken and egg, chicken and egg.

    Almost every individual effort is shaped in part by environmental conditions which were likely shaped in part due to individual efforts which....on and on.

    As I said to a few friends on email...the funny thing is…he’s right, but he’s wrong as well. The reality is, often, success is a mixture of environment/community and the individual. Sometimes environment almost alone can spur it…sometimes the individual almost on their own can do it, but usually it’s a mix. The difference is…and it’s so interesting reading it because it’s often a great dichotomy between the two parties…is which of those two ingredients do you choose to highlight, promote, and give adulation to and which do you downplay or degrade or write off.

    Obama chooses to highlight and promote the community while devaluing and downplaying the individual. Traditionally, Republicans hype up the individual while downplaying the community. What becomes interesting is which of the two arguments will win over the fickle American people this time around.
    Well, if some guy/gal didn't put in a lot of hard work to get a business going, the government wouldn't have done it in their place. Seems to me that without the entrepenuer, there is no business. The same can not be said about the government.
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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that."

    Maybe someone else has posted some of the rest of his speech, but here's the line, "You didn't build that."

    "If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help," Obama said on Friday. "There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you've got a business. you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen."
    Obama to business owners: 'You didn't build that' | Fox News

    I don't have that much of a problem with what he said; although his writers should have phrased it differently. In his speech, Obama put the credit for building a successful business on "the system." That's a bit of a stretch.

    "It must be because I was so smart," he said, discounting the entrepreneur. "It must be because I work harder than everybody else," again discounting the amazing perseverance, talent and guts it takes to build a successful business.

    Successful business builders are smarter than the average bear. They do work harder than most. They make sacrifices others aren't willing to make. To short-change entrepreneurship in the name of, "We want to pay more in taxes," is disingenuous at best.

    I built a very successful business. I did it in spite of sometimes onerous government regulation. Did my government give me roads?? Well, duh.

    Edit: Now I know where Haymarket gets his talking points. This is his mantra as well. Party line. Sorry, Hay.
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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that."

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Is this the latest Leftist talking point? How many times has this been used in this thread?



    Without consumer demand. If a business owner meets that demand, he purdy much did that on his own.
    We live in a society of 311 million people. Nobody does anything of that sort of substance on their own.

    As to talking points - it is revealing that you consider the statement about business NOT existing in a vacuum a talking point. Most people not worshipping at that particular ideological altar simply consider that reality.
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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that."

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Maybe someone else has posted some of the rest of his speech, but here's the line, "You didn't build that."



    Obama to business owners: 'You didn't build that' | Fox News

    I don't have that much of a problem with what he said; although his writers should have phrased it differently. In his speech, Obama put the credit for building a successful business on "the system." That's a bit of a stretch.

    "It must be because I was so smart," he said, discounting the entrepreneur. "It must be because I work harder than everybody else," again discounting the amazing perseverance, talent and guts it takes to build a successful business.

    Successful business builders are smarter than the average bear. They do work harder than most. They make sacrifices others aren't willing to make. To short-change entrepreneurship in the name of, "We want to pay more in taxes," is disingenuous at best.

    I built a very successful business. I did it in spite of sometimes onerous government regulation. Did my government give me roads?? Well, duh.
    He put credit on the government, as the main weath and job creator and he's way off base with those remarks.

    The government can't create jobs, nor can it create wealth.

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