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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that."

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    So, let me this striaght, regulations that keep poison out of our PB is equal to lack of regulation in China that allows it in the PB? Is this your position?
    When those decisions are made by unelected bureaucrats, yes. The government decides what poisons to put in your PB if you're Chinese. In America, the free market keeps your PB safe. You may point to FDA and falsely claim they keep your PB safe, but in reality profit motive keeps your PB safe. The industries safety standards are higher than the government's in the U.S.

    And who would want that weapon? For what purpose? And people are elected, who place people into roles, and these agencies have to adhere to rules and laws. These rules and alws are ususally pushed by people not in government. People who lobby and push elected officials. The government doesn't usually do this compeltely on their own. You have to know how this works.
    I don't want a bumpstock, the fact you think I do proves you don't read well. My point isn't that bumpstocks are legal or illegal, my problem is that they were declared legal by unelected bureaucrats. Even though full auto weapons were banned nearly a century ago.

    When the colonies began to complain about paying direct taxes without representation in Parliament, defenders of that system claimed the colonists had de facto representation. You are making the same case here. Also, those agencies don't have to adhere to "rules and laws" because they make the "rules and laws" without the consent of the people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zeusomally View Post
    So what, then, do you believe of Paul's stance on abortion. Sounds like he trying to force women to comport to his own viewpoint....
    And he thinks it is okay for local school boards to force non-believers to sit through prayer in public schools
    I could go on. Maybe you don't support Paul, but he does appear to be the current flagbearer of the Libertarian movement and I think it more than fair to say that he has no problem with "forcing others to comport to his viewpoint". Kind of a disconnect.---and allow me to rephrase that: He is ONE of the leaders of the Libertarian movement.
    I really don't know why, when someone wishes to attack my libertarian views, they always bring up a Republican for whom I've never, not once, expressed the slightest bit of affinity, and whom I have in fact several times dismissed as a racist nut.
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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that." [W:417]

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    The US military is a volunteer civilian army.
    Uh, no. The United States Army is a military, not civilians. These are pretty basic words is opposition to each other. This is even more idiotic than what you said before.

    The military is comprised of paid civilian volunteers


    No, it's comprised of paid, full-time professional soldiers.


    and they don't give up their citizenship to join the military.
    Who said they did? You're compounding the idiocy quite staggeringly.


    The military volunteers are obligated to obey the same laws that civilians are and they have almost all the same constitutional rights and protections as civilians. Ending the "don't ask, don't tell policy" helped to re-establish one of those rights.
    Well, this is a whole bunch of nonsensical babbling, having nothing to do with that I said.


    Like all presidents as commanders in chief of the military, Clinton qualified as Active Duty Military....
    No, he didn't. He lost that argument quite handily, as you yourself linked to.
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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that."

    Quote Originally Posted by Romulus View Post
    When those decisions are made by unelected bureaucrats, yes. The government decides what poisons to put in your PB if you're Chinese. In America, the free market keeps your PB safe. You may point to FDA and falsely claim they keep your PB safe, but in reality profit motive keeps your PB safe. The industries safety standards are higher than the government's in the U.S.
    Np atter what you may think, they don't make decisions in a vaccum, and they often answer to elected officials, who answer to us. We can elect everyone. The point is, people, not the government, lead these lead this regulations. They lobby, protest, write letters, and this is how it happens. China doesn't have to worry about that, hence, fewer regulations.

    I don't want a bumpstock, the fact you think I do proves you don't read well. My point isn't that bumpstocks are legal or illegal, my problem is that they were declared legal by unelected bureaucrats. Even though full auto weapons were banned nearly a century ago.

    When the colonies began to complain about paying direct taxes without representation in Parliament, defenders of that system claimed the colonists had de facto representation. You are making the same case here. Also, those agencies don't have to adhere to "rules and laws" because they make the "rules and laws" without the consent of the people.
    Again, the unelected leaders, who answer to elected leaders who answer to voters didn't do this on their own. So, everyone is represented. These things were directly and indirectly pushed by people, not unelected bureaucrats.

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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that."

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Hardly. Argue for improvement, or show a significant percent abusing, and we can go somewhere. Go with your feeling, and I'm not convinced.
    There is also a link inside of this link that shows a trend of people filing for unemployment until it runs out then filing for disability. The source of that report is whitehouse.gov
    Recession enriching disability rolls
    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    A few. Or a least a few who believed what they did. And they did change much, though it was costly. But the country was not the same after the 60's.
    I agree. The country is worse after the 60's IMO. It's telling that the current Congress's average age would have them at about 18-20 years old during the mid to late 60's. It's also telling that the percentage of legislators that served in the military is the lowest it's ever been. So, if they weren't in the military during the Vietnam war, I'd guess that they were in college or Canada (minus the few that had some weird exemption). Hence college's becoming the liberal beacons they are.
    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I haven't seen it. And I've checked a few, espeically locally, and here they are nutter. The Obama billboards have been sad in their stupidity.
    Link to their websites? Pics of the billboards? Come on man. You're making a lot of claims in these posts with no backup.
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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that."

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    There is also a link inside of this link that shows a trend of people filing for unemployment until it runs out then filing for disability. The source of that report is whitehouse.gov
    Recession enriching disability rolls
    From the report:

    An important potential avenue for leaving the labor force, especially for older job seekers, is to apply for disability benefits through the Social Security Disability Insurance (SSDI) program. SSDI applications generally rise when unemployment is high. Unemployed workers with significant and persistent illnesses or injuries can qualify for SSDI despite the fact that some applicants would continue to work if they still had a job.
    Seems reasonable and more a function of age and unemployment, which is particularly tricky. It does not appear to be a sign of a problem with the program or people wanting to be taken care of. Even the person in editorial states clearly that an aging population is playing a role. Hard times bring about hard choices. But I don't think this fully supports your claim.


    I agree. The country is worse after the 60's IMO. It's telling that the current Congress's average age would have them at about 18-20 years old during the mid to late 60's. It's also telling that the percentage of legislators that served in the military is the lowest it's ever been. So, if they weren't in the military during the Vietnam war, I'd guess that they were in college or Canada (minus the few that had some weird exemption). Hence college's becoming the liberal beacons they are.
    Worse? Civil rights occured during the 60's and 70's, and that's better. Women's rights prospered, and that's better. Kerry as in VN and so were many others, a few kicked out when they dared speak against Iraq when we had the fever. Science and medicine gained, as did some really great music.

    Nixon hurt the country, by destorying trust. Nearly single handedly he made all in government beyond suspect. He refined and exploited the liberal media dodge. Not to mention college.

    Link to their websites? Pics of the billboards? Come on man. You're making a lot of claims in these posts with no backup.
    You want a link to their billboards (I didn't say a thing about websites)? OK.

    Tea Party billboard covered up in Mason City

    That was just one of a few taken down. The population there isn't as radical as this person.

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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that."

    "You didn't build that" = "I like firing people"

    They're both snippets taken out of context, and in both cases, the context makes it 100% clear what they were actually saying, and in both cases, what they were actually saying was entirely innocuous... This kind of distraction game is dumb. There are real policy issues at stake in this election. Can't we focus on those instead?
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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that."

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    From the report:
    Seems reasonable and more a function of age and unemployment, which is particularly tricky. It does not appear to be a sign of a problem with the program or people wanting to be taken care of. Even the person in editorial states clearly that an aging population is playing a role. Hard times bring about hard choices. But I don't think this fully supports your claim.
    I said in the beginning that I understood we have an aging workforce. However, there is no way our workforce went from as able as it was, to as feeble as it looks with those numbers.
    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Worse? Civil rights occured during the 60's and 70's, and that's better. Women's rights prospered, and that's better. Kerry as in VN and so were many others, a few kicked out when they dared speak against Iraq when we had the fever. Science and medicine gained, as did some really great music.
    Concur on the music. We did get some good music from that era. Sex also became cheapened, the rich and poor became divided due to the beginnings of class warfare that continues today (that's a whole other argument), drugs became acceptable in the countries lexicon, etc, etc.
    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    You want a link to their billboards (I didn't say a thing about websites)? OK.

    Tea Party billboard covered up in Mason City

    That was just one of a few taken down. The population there isn't as radical as this person.
    I don't see anything offensive about that. If you would have showed a racist billboard I would have agreed with you. Its radical, but not offensive.
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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that."

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    I said in the beginning that I understood we have an aging workforce. However, there is no way our workforce went from as able as it was, to as feeble as it looks with those numbers.
    That's not actually true. Iowa intinced me to come back here some years ago. They ahd doen a study that shwoed the aging population was going to hit hard, and they didn't have enough young people to replace them. Theys till don't. The governor then went radical, and incouraged immigrants to come to Iowa. Not a popular move. But we still are suffering from the aging population.

    Add to this the poor job market, and old folks are not first choice in any market, and this is quite reasonable, or at least to be expected.

    Concur on the music. We did get some good music from that era. Sex also became cheapened, the rich and poor became divided due to the beginnings of class warfare that continues today (that's a whole other argument), drugs became acceptable in the countries lexicon, etc, etc.
    I owuld say less hidden. Over the years I've heard a lot of women speak of the good ol days being less than good. The fact is we tend to romanticize the past. I would also say drugs have always been part and parcel of this country.


    I don't see anything offensive about that. If you would have showed a racist billboard I would have agreed with you. Its radical, but not offensive.
    That's worrisome as you should. But it was just one of many of the same nonsense the TP has posted here. BTW, the person who put that poster up comes to regular legislature meetings to tell folks if we wanted people of color in our here, we wouldn't live in Iowa. Now, don't get me wrong, I don't think he represents all TP members, but he does wear the brand. And those signs, which keep going up by the TP and taken down by citizen protest. Now, they have them in their yards, and no one has stopped that (nor should they). But the folks who own the Billboards and the businesses around them just won't take much of that (and this is a very conservative area).

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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that."

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    "You didn't build that" = "I like firing people"

    They're both snippets taken out of context, and in both cases, the context makes it 100% clear what they were actually saying, and in both cases, what they were actually saying was entirely innocuous... This kind of distraction game is dumb. There are real policy issues at stake in this election. Can't we focus on those instead?
    "You didn't build that" is the rephrasing of an ideological meme first articulated by Berkeley linguist George Lakoff. It is anything but an out of context gaff, which I mistakenly believed originally. Lakoff argues against the self-made American or basically repackages democratic socialism by focusing on the role of government in enabling individual success. That's fine if your into that sorta thing...but it is not "innocuous".

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