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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that."

    Quote Originally Posted by washunut View Post
    Funny, from the posters who want to pin Romney to the wall if his words are a bit off, now we have Obama lackeys saying this isn't fair, who know what he really meant.

    The problem for Obama is yes we do know he really meant and it is not the BS cited above.
    Fail on so many levels....I'm not an "Obama lackey," I'm voting for Romney. I've never pinned Romney for any time when his words were taken out of context.

    When you can't refute the substance, wrongly attack the messenger. "He doesn't think Obama's an evil socialist....Lackey!"


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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that."

    Obama is absolutely right in that the business success isn't completely due to the business owners. It is a joint partnership between the consumer and the owner.

    I've known a few people that have worked their asses off, but their business never got off the ground due to not enough consumers. Just because the business owners are hard working does not mean they will have a good business, they NEED consumers as well.

    You can't have a successful business without the owners AND the consumer.

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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that."

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Except that wasn't the way it was before governments really got into the business of building public infrastructure.

    Look, I get it, public works projects like roads, water treatment and processing and all the like, make everything better.
    Let's just not pretend, that they're necessary for commerce and civilization to exist, because in a great many places and in many times, they haven't and society functioned, sans warlords.
    my point is that business and everyone else uses and benefits from public infrastructure. that was also the point of the quote in context. it was made into an out of context sound bite, which is done equally by both sides. I find that practice to be intellectually lazy and dishonest. at this site, we can actually discuss these issues at length, as this thread illustrates. it bothers me that the same discussion on a wider scale gets reduced to emotionally charged rhetoric.
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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that."

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Except that wasn't the way it was before governments really got into the business of building public infrastructure.

    Look, I get it, public works projects like roads, water treatment and processing and all the like, make everything better.
    Let's just not pretend, that they're necessary for commerce and civilization to exist, because in a great many places and in many times, they haven't and society functioned, sans warlords.
    It's not about necessary for civilization. But where would the trucking industry be today if the government hadn't built the Interstate system? Every business and every consumer benefits from it in some way, but the trucking industry as we know it wouldn't exist.

    Things like infrastructure were largely built by government. It's one of the few things the government can effectively build the economy.


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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that."

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Obama is absolutely right in that the business success isn't completely due to the business owners. It is a joint partnership between the consumer and the owner.

    I've known a few people that have worked their asses off, but their business never got off the ground due to not enough consumers. Just because the business owners are hard working does not mean they will have a good business, they NEED consumers as well.

    You can't have a successful business without the owners AND the consumer.
    Consumers don't frequent a business just to be nice. They have a demand for a good, or service and that business owner meets that demand.

    Consumers don't spend money for the hell of it.

    Employees don't work for free.

    Banks want their money back, with interest.

    And, those businesses did just as much to pay for all that infrastructure as anyone else.

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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that."

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    It's not about necessary for civilization. But where would the trucking industry be today if the government hadn't built the Interstate system? Every business and every consumer benefits from it in some way, but the trucking industry as we know it wouldn't exist.

    Things like infrastructure were largely built by government. It's one of the few things the government can effectively build the economy.
    It was built by taxpayers, including for a large part business people. I really don't understand the point of portraying government as this completely benign and altruistic entity which gives, gives and gives, yet asks for nothing.

    It is the height of liberal idiocy.

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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that."

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    It's not about necessary for civilization. But where would the trucking industry be today if the government hadn't built the Interstate system? Every business and every consumer benefits from it in some way, but the trucking industry as we know it wouldn't exist.

    Things like infrastructure were largely built by government. It's one of the few things the government can effectively build the economy.
    Where did the money come from to build the interstate system?

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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that."

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    my point is that business and everyone else uses and benefits from public infrastructure. that was also the point of the quote in context. it was made into an out of context sound bite, which is done equally by both sides. I find that practice to be intellectually lazy and dishonest. at this site, we can actually discuss these issues at length, as this thread illustrates. it bothers me that the same discussion on a wider scale gets reduced to emotionally charged rhetoric.
    1) None of that would happen, if someone didn't get off their asses and go start a business.

    2) None of that would happen, if someone didn't get off their asses, go start a business and pay taxes to fund construction of that infrastructure.

    It's true, that without that infrastructure businesses would have a harder time doing business, however at the end of the day, it takes that one person displaying some ambition, getting off his ass and making something happen. To say otherwise cheapens the entrepreneurial spirit in this country.

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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that."

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Obama is absolutely right in that the business success isn't completely due to the business owners.
    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88
    Here's what I get from what he said: businesses do not exist in a vacuum.
    What's so hard to comprehend? In fact he even emphasized it by saying "The point is..."
    The point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together.
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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that."

    this quote was 100% taken out of context and shows the dishonesty of Fox News:

    OBAMA: [L]ook, if you've been successful, you didn't get there on your own. You didn't get there on your own. I'm always struck by people who think, well, it must be because I was just so smart. There are a lot of smart people out there. It must be because I worked harder than everybody else. Let me tell you something -- there are a whole bunch of hardworking people out there.

    If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you've got a business -- you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn't get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet.

    The point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together. There are some things, just like fighting fires, we don't do on our own
    . I mean, imagine if everybody had their own fire service. That would be a hard way to organize fighting fires.

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