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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that."

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    No, you just didn't get the context because you love everything he says. I hope Romney keep beating his ass with it for the next 3 months or so. It's the dumbest things Obama has every said, and he said it at the perfect time.

    That ignorant ****up thinks the Internet was invented so companies could make money. It was a Cold War communications system for the military. Private individuals made it what it is today, a useful tool for society.

    I wonder if Obama every heard of Tim Berners-Lee, who never made a dime off his invention.

    I'm sure he has, BTW

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    OMG thats the big bad government!

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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that."

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    You're kind of leaping all over the place. What does Obama being black have to with ****?
    You brought up discrimination. Not me. That we elected a black POTUS shows discrimination is, at the least, a dwindling belief amongst the people of our nation. However, we are far behind many other countries in this realm IMO.
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    And while there are a very few who may abuse the system
    Disagree totally. Have you not seen how much disability claims have gone up? I understand we have an aging workforce. I also see that as job increases become stagnant, disability applications increase. That's not a coincidence.
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    the real abuse is at the top
    Agreed
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    And while I see problems with mainstream politics, mostly that there really isn't any difference (and if any fool thinks Romeny is siginifcant different than Obama, I would like to seel you some real estate.)
    Agreed again. So are you walking into the booth, closing your eyes, putting your finger out, and seeing where it lands? Or are you going to eenie, meenie, minee, moe it?
    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    But anger isn't a movement, and that's true of both the TP and OWS. I have discussed this with local members of each. If they really had any insight, they'd set down the BS and organized to present us with something different (not bat **** crazy either). You may not have lied the 60's, but they in comparison, they knew how to organize then. And for pete's sake, be coherent.
    Now, as none of what said has anything to do with the point I was addressing, as it had nothing to do with competition world wide, we can go off topic, or you can swing around and address the point I made.
    So you're saying the drug infested, free sex aka std spreading hippies are an example we should follow? LOL. Roger that. Actually, Occupy did follow that mantra almost to the letter. Look what it got them. The Tea Party is the most organized, grass root political movement in a loooooong time. How many hippies were elected into the Congress in the '60s?
    Further, everything I said was coherent. I pointed out that we are falling behind in world competition ie even Iraq has roads just as good, if not better than, ours/Electing a black leader after it's been done around the world many times doesn't mean we lead the world in the "less discrimination" category (I'll also point out that gay marriage is still illegal which is discrimination)/People leave our country to get medical care in other countries because its cheaper and better/Poor people do live good here and that's why we are losing our drive. All points that countered your original point that gov't has made all of those things happen/better. So, instead of talking about Pete's sake, lets talk about the original subject that I addressed and you failed to comprehend.
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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that."

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    You brought up discrimination. Not me. That we elected a black POTUS shows discrimination is, at the least, a dwindling belief amongst the people of our nation. However, we are far behind many other countries in this realm IMO.
    I don't beleive I did.

    OK. I looked back. I think you misunderstand what was being said. I said it was dwindling but the point was government dealt not only with race, but gender and age. And government is the people. it changes when people change, and people use government to elicit that change. This is the point.

    Disagree totally. Have you not seen how much disability claims have gone up? I understand we have an aging workforce. I also see that as job increases become stagnant, disability applications increase. That's not a coincidence
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    Claims don't equal abuse.


    Agreed again. So are you walking into the booth, closing your eyes, putting your finger out, and seeing where it lands? Or are you going to eenie, meenie, minee, moe it?
    No, the difference, while minor, is a difference. I keep working in both primaries (as I can here) to try and get good choices. But the republican party put up too poor a field to even work with. Romney is your best choice, but he's Obama light with no real backbone at all. He'll betray you in a nanosecond.

    So you're saying the drug infested, free sex aka std spreading hippies are an example we should follow? LOL. Roger that. Actually, Occupy did follow that mantra almost to the letter. Look what it got them. The Tea Party is the most organized, grass root political movement in a loooooong time. How many hippies were elected into the Congress in the '60s?
    Further, everything I said was coherent. I pointed out that we are falling behind in world competition ie even Iraq has roads just as good, if not better than, ours/Electing a black leader after it's been done around the world many times doesn't mean we lead the world in the "less discrimination" category (I'll also point out that gay marriage is still illegal which is discrimination)/People leave our country to get medical care in other countries because its cheaper and better/Poor people do live good here and that's why we are losing our drive. All points that countered your original point that gov't has made all of those things happen/better. So, instead of talking about Pete's sake, lets talk about the original subject that I addressed and you failed to comprehend.
    Only as it relates to organization. Stoned, they knew you needed a candidate and a plan.

    And the TP is incoherent, and many of their candidates Bat **** nutters.

    And no, they don't counter me at all. Government did those things. And they helped quite a bit.
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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that."

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Disagree totally. Have you not seen how much disability claims have gone up? I understand we have an aging workforce. I also see that as job increases become stagnant, disability applications increase. That's not a coincidence

    Claims don't equal abuse.
    The concept of SSDI lays itself down as a doormat for abuse. It's federal money in exchange for the "I give up" attitude. Qualifying for it depends on how convincingly you can assure an eligibility technician bean counter in some federal office somewhere that you "can't" work.

    The only redeeming quality of SSDI is how slowly and inefficiently it adds new folks to the rolls. It almost universally denies first time applicants and by the time they appeal it, 18 months to three years have gone by, which protects it from people who can just get it in their heads one day to latch onto this "disability" funding stream based on some questionable allegation of disability.

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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that."

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    The concept of SSDI lays itself down as a doormat for abuse. It's federal money in exchange for the "I give up" attitude. Qualifying for it depends on how convincingly you can assure an eligibility technician bean counter in some federal office somewhere that you "can't" work.

    The only redeeming quality of SSDI is how slowly and inefficiently it adds new folks to the rolls. It almost universally denies first time applicants and by the time they appeal it, 18 months to three years have gone by, which protects it from people who can just get it in their heads one day to latch onto this "disability" funding stream based on some questionable allegation of disability.
    I don't agree. I see people everyday who use that help, get up, get off and move on. Very few people actually give up. However, mindsets and beliefs need some verification. I've seen next to no numbers supporting your claim. But I'd look at anything you ahve.

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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that."

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I don't beleive I did.

    OK. I looked back. I think you misunderstand what was being said. I said it was dwindling but the point was government dealt not only with race, but gender and age. And government is the people. it changes when people change, and people use government to elicit that change. This is the point.
    Got it. So what about gay marriage then? We're one of the only countries left in the modernized, 1st world group that still has gay marriage as illegal. You can't claim this until that goes away.
    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Claims don't equal abuse.
    In other words you're using the "stick my head in the sand" defense on this. What, in your opinion, is the reason for it then?
    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    No, the difference, while minor, is a difference. I keep working in both primaries (as I can here) to try and get good choices. But the republican party put up too poor a field to even work with. Romney is your best choice, but he's Obama light with no real backbone at all. He'll betray you in a nanosecond.
    That's why I'm not voting for either.
    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Only as it relates to organization. Stoned, they knew you needed a candidate and a plan.
    Again, how many hippies got into Congress (present day doesn't count lol)
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    And the TP is incoherent, and many of their candidates Bat **** nutters.
    No, I'd say the TP is pretty united and quite coherent. Check out the many different TP websites. They all say the same essential things. Everyone has their nutters. Us much less than other movements though.
    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    And no, they don't counter me at all. Government did those things. And they helped quite a bit.
    Gov't did all of those things a long time ago. That's my point. Our country isn't competitive because our gov't, instead of helping along when needed (like building interstates, medical grants, etc) is now trying to take over the programs it used to just support.
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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that."

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    The concept of SSDI lays itself down as a doormat for abuse. It's federal money in exchange for the "I give up" attitude. Qualifying for it depends on how convincingly you can assure an eligibility technician bean counter in some federal office somewhere that you "can't" work.

    Uhmm well I had to go to a government appointed doctor and have a echocadiogram. BTW my ejection fraction came out at 10%. Anything below 30% is automatically considered congestive heart failure.

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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that."

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I don't agree. I see people everyday who use that help, get up, get off and move on. Very few people actually give up. However, mindsets and beliefs need some verification. I've seen next to no numbers supporting your claim. But I'd look at anything you ahve.
    If you will actually read this and not balk/poison the well:

    Facilitating Fraud: How SSDI Gives Benefits to the Able Bodied

    It is well written and cogent, even if its bias is unabashed.

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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that."

    Quote Originally Posted by Neomalthusian View Post
    If you will actually read this and not balk/poison the well:

    Facilitating Fraud: How SSDI Gives Benefits to the Able Bodied

    It is well written and cogent, even if its bias is unabashed.
    I have no trouble with Cato, as bias is seldom my problem. Inaccuracy is. However, they state clear that some may argue 43 cases might be the exception. And they are right about that. What they give as evidence is largely circumstancial, and not objectively certain. At best, I think it raises the question. Some of their perscriptive messures I would not object to, like independent oversight and review. I have no problem tightening up the program. But what I need as far as to the claim that it is pervasive is some actual studies of large numbers of cases that gives us some % of abuse.

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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that."

    Quote Originally Posted by MarineTpartier View Post
    Got it. So what about gay marriage then? We're one of the only countries left in the modernized, 1st world group that still has gay marriage as illegal. You can't claim this until that goes away.
    I didn't claim we were perfect. That is one glaring exception.


    In other words you're using the "stick my head in the sand" defense on this. What, in your opinion, is the reason for it then?
    Hardly. Argue for improvement, or show a significant percent abusing, and we can go somewhere. Go with your feeling, and I'm not convinced.

    That's why I'm not voting for either.
    Your choice.

    Again, how many hippies got into Congress (present day doesn't count lol)
    A few. Or a least a few who believed what they did. And they did change much, though it was costly. But the country was not the same after the 60's.

    No, I'd say the TP is pretty united and quite coherent. Check out the many different TP websites. They all say the same essential things. Everyone has their nutters. Us much less than other movements though.
    I haven't seen it. And I've checked a few, espeically locally, and here they are nutter. The Obama billboards have been sad in their stupidity.

    Gov't did all of those things a long time ago. That's my point. Our country isn't competitive because our gov't, instead of helping along when needed (like building interstates, medical grants, etc) is now trying to take over the programs it used to just support.
    A lot it lasted. As they've improved things, major changes haven't been needed. They are nto needed now. And while I agree their reach should be limited more, though we may disagree where, most of that reach has been pushed and supported by the people of this country. The government is us. If you've got a complaint, you really need to start with us. Government doesn't act in a vaccum.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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