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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that." [W:417]

    Quote Originally Posted by zeusomally View Post
    Great question. I and whole ton of other people(like yourself) paid taxes this year. Those taxes went to things that you(as an individual) could not have provided or done solely on your own-or at least not in an effective way. Go ahead, let's see you build a bridge or a school by yourself. We COLLECTIVELY pooled our money to support police, roads, military, schools, judicial systems etc etc. It is often most efficient to do things TOGETHER(collectively) than to expect individual businesses or citizens to do them piecemeal on their own. That's the whole idea of government: We support it through taxes so that it can do things with our money that benefit us and that would not otherwise be able to be provided efficiently by the private market.
    It's really a simple concept when you think about it. I am not taking credit for the success of your business no more than I am saying you should take credit for mine. All I am saying is that I am thankful that the two of us have pooled our money in government, because we both get to reap the benefits from it from the host of programs it funds. As I just said to another poster, WE ARE THE GOVERNMENT. Obama merely takes umbrage with the claim by so many business types these days that seem to be dismissing the importance of collective government in creating opportunities for ALL of us.
    lol....I fully understand what you are "trying" to say, and I fully understand why people like you actually believe it. In the first part of your paragraph, you are saying people like me and you are responsible for pooling our resources to fund government. Ok, that's correct. Then at the bottom of your paragraph, you credit GOVERNMENT for creating that opportunity. No, they didn't, WE DID.

    Now, consider this. A person who works for minimum wage at McDonalds, are they equally responsible for the road outside? Are they paying anywhere near the amount of taxes that a local business owner is? Not even close. The reason I bring this up, is because Obama chose to insult those that are paying the lion's share of taxes that fund roads, that pay teachers, that pay cops and firemen, that fund bridges. It was a backhanded remark at best. Telling business owners, who are paying the lion's share of taxes in this country, that they really didn't do anything on their own. Then, in another condescending manner, he says crap like, "they think it is because they are so smart. There's a lot of smart people out there. Or that it was because they worked so hard. Let me tell ya, there's a lot of hard working people out there."

    That comment diminishes both intelligence and hard work. His comment was insulting, and if you don't understand why, then that's your own lack of understanding. He wouldn't of said to the minimum wage worker, "ya know, you don't pay much taxes, but you still get to reap the benefits because of the people that do, I just want you to know, and a lot of folks would agree, that you didn't succeed on your own, and you wouldn't be able to drive on this street if it weren't for people who pay more taxes than you."

    He wouldn't of insulted the minimum wage worker. But why does he think it's ok to insult business owners? Because they have money!!!! He has an inner resentment towards people who have worked for their money, like all leftists do. Why else would he diminish a business owner's "smarts" and "hard work". Those two things are the PRIMARY reason for their success, and he chose those to things to diminish and minimize their importance by equating them with "a lot of folks".

    It would be like me saying to you, if you had earned a PhD in college, "ya know, many PhD's would agree, that you didn't earn that on your own. It surprises me when I hear people say 'it must of been because I was so smart'. Let me tell you something, there are a lot of smart people out there. Or when they say 'It must of been because I worked so hard'. There are a lot of hard working people out there. If you have a PhD, you didn't do that. Someone else made that happen." Basically what he said was "no big deal, you own a business. Its not because you are smart, because a lot of people are smart. And it's not because you worked hard, because a lot of people work hard. It's because someone else made that happen"

    If that's not insulting, I don't know what is. The reason he can insult business owners and get away with it, is because he knows that we aren't going to stop working. He know's we aren't going to stop paying taxes. He rides the backs of PRODUCERS, while he conjures up class envy amoung the LOOTERS. He insults the producers, while he demands society show compassion for the looters. He condescends to the producers, while he enables the looters. Then he runs commercials on television that attacks another successful American businessman simply for being RICH. He's playing to the worst attributes of American society. Envy and jealousy. He's exploiting the poor for votes, and he's rubbing everyone's nose in it along the way.

    He's a man child. A manipulator of the mob. He seeks favor through stirring up the worst feelings in a person, their anger and their jealousy. He pits minimum wage worker against owner, labor employee against management, poor against rich, welfare recipient against home owner, unemployed against wall street, bureaucrat against business owner, government against the people. It is the modus operandi of the community organizer, and it's all he's known his entire adult life. Organize, Strike, March, Revolt, Resist, Organize, Strike, March, Revolt, Resist. It's who he is by nature, and it's the philosophy which drives his politics. He's a Marxist at heart. Read his books. Listen to him carefully when he's describing the people HE SOUGHT OUT in college. The Marxists. Study his parents. Both were Marxists. Learn about the man he called "Uncle Frank" growing up. It was Frank Marshall Davis, another Marxist. But you would have me believe he's the furthest thing from a Marxist. .....tisk tisk.....do your homework, and stop assuming that just because he's the President, he's a free market capitalist eager to create a strong business atmosphere in America, because he's not.

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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that." [W:417]

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    he just gave private businesses 30 million more customers.

    this is called "crony-Capitalism".
    And what did he get in return? Control. Power.

    Yes, he's so friendly to the insurance industry....lol....yes, although he's made comments numerous times that he believes the best system is a centralized single payer system. He also said that is what he would like to see in America. Said it many times.

    Oh, but I'm certain he has the private insurance industry's best interests at heart.....

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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that." [W:417]

    Quote Originally Posted by zeusomally View Post
    Haha. Funny infographic. Funny, because it is deceptive. I suspect that these numbers were figured for the oil companies by counting the federal and state gasoline taxes that consumers pay at the pump. As these taxes are directly passed on to the consumer, it is deceptive to include them as "taxes" for the oil companies themselves. In many cases, the petro companies(and others on this list) also count the payroll taxes their employees pay and also claim that as part of their "tax contribution". It's a very deceptive and insincere way of demonstrating tax liability. Where did this infographic get its data and how, exactly, did it crunch the numbers to come up with these tax rates. I am very suspicious and will continue to be so until I see more evidence.
    Of course you will, you're a liberal. Liberals are always skeptical of statistics! Then, they are too lazy to go research anything for themselves!

    "nope, I don't believe you. Say what? Oh, no, I'm not going to go find out for myself, I'm just going to call you a liar and blame your stupidity on Fox News."

    Why don't you simply go to their website and take a closer look at their company's financials? Last year alone, they paid the government $86 MILLION PER DAY!!! Read that again......$86 MILLION PER DAY..... in royalties, bonuses, and corporate taxes. It summed $36 BILLION by the end of the year. Exxon MObil pays more taxes in a single year, than Mark Zuckerburg is worth!

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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that." [W:417]

    Quote Originally Posted by Masada View Post
    And what did he get in return?....
    the peace of mind that comes with knowing that many more Americans will have health insurance.

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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that." [W:417]

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    the peace of mind that comes with knowing that many more Americans will have health insurance.
    I didn't realize that "peace of mind" came with a 1.5 Trillion dollar price tag, at OUR expense.

    But, you can't put a price on "feel good" I suppose. Liberals would mortgage the entire world if it made them "feel good".

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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that." [W:417]

    Quote Originally Posted by Masada View Post
    I didn't realize that "peace of mind" came with a 1.5 Trillion dollar price tag....
    yes, peace of mind often comes with a price.

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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that." [W:417]

    Quote Originally Posted by Masada View Post
    Of course you will, you're a liberal. Liberals are always skeptical of statistics! Then, they are too lazy to go research anything for themselves!

    "nope, I don't believe you. Say what? Oh, no, I'm not going to go find out for myself, I'm just going to call you a liar and blame your stupidity on Fox News."

    Why don't you simply go to their website and take a closer look at their company's financials? Last year alone, they paid the government $86 MILLION PER DAY!!! Read that again......$86 MILLION PER DAY..... in royalties, bonuses, and corporate taxes. It summed $36 BILLION by the end of the year. Exxon MObil pays more taxes in a single year, than Mark Zuckerburg is worth!

    I agree ... the curious should go to Exxon Mobil's 2011 financial statement and look for Note #18

    There is one teensy-weensy little problem with the "OHMIGAWD!!!! ... they paid the government $86 MILLION PER DAY!!! " claim.

    Exxon pays taxes not only to the US but also to other countries, the US income tax liability is approximately one ninth of the total taxes paid. So the numbers being cited by Masada are reasonably accurate but the US government is receiving only a fraction of total corporate taxes paid by Exxon.
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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that." [W:417]

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    I agree ... the curious should go to Exxon Mobil's 2011 financial statement and look for Note #18

    There is one teensy-weensy little problem with the "OHMIGAWD!!!! ... they paid the government $86 MILLION PER DAY!!! " claim.

    Exxon pays taxes not only to the US but also to other countries, the US income tax liability is approximately one ninth of the total taxes paid. So the numbers being cited by Masada are reasonably accurate but the US government is receiving only a fraction of total corporate taxes paid by Exxon.
    In addition to that, Exxon isn't just listing income tax. They lump in sales and excise taxes that they don't even pay, which makes up a huge percentage of their so-called tax burden.
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that." [W:417]

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    In addition to that, Exxon isn't just listing income tax. They lump in sales and excise taxes that they don't even pay, which makes up a huge percentage of their so-called tax burden.
    You have no problem paying 42 cents per gallon to gov't yet paying 6 cents per gallon to Exxon is obscene profit? Hmm...
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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that." [W:417]

    Quote Originally Posted by Masada View Post
    Of course you will, you're a liberal. Liberals are always skeptical of statistics!
    That's funny, coming from the side that denies climate change.
    "The necessaries of life occasion the great expense of the poor. They find it difficult to get food, and the greater part of their little revenue is spent in getting it. The luxuries and vanities of life occasion the principal expense of the rich, and a magnificent house embellishes and sets off to the best advantage all the other luxuries and vanities which they possess. ... It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion."

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