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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that." [W:417]

    Quote Originally Posted by Paratrooper View Post
    My problem with the "You didn't build that" rhetoric, is if external factors made a business successful, why isn't everyone a successful business owner? Why isn't every man/woman sitting on a street corner begging for change, a successful business owner?
    I keep asking that, and no-one seems to be able to answer.

    If govt is responsible for success, why isn't everyone successful?
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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that." [W:417]

    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Foley View Post


    *yawn* the full speech.

    OK fine, you did build those roads on your own, you're your own fire department, and you went to the moon by yourself. You are a special little snowflake.

    lol. 196 likes, 666 dislikes Obama's problem is that he didn't stroke your ego.
    No, his problem is that he doesn't understand the private sector. Like it or not, they're Americans too.
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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that." [W:417]

    Quote Originally Posted by Masada View Post
    So what did "you" do that made my business successful?
    Great question. I and whole ton of other people(like yourself) paid taxes this year. Those taxes went to things that you(as an individual) could not have provided or done solely on your own-or at least not in an effective way. Go ahead, let's see you build a bridge or a school by yourself. We COLLECTIVELY pooled our money to support police, roads, military, schools, judicial systems etc etc. It is often most efficient to do things TOGETHER(collectively) than to expect individual businesses or citizens to do them piecemeal on their own. That's the whole idea of government: We support it through taxes so that it can do things with our money that benefit us and that would not otherwise be able to be provided efficiently by the private market.
    It's really a simple concept when you think about it. I am not taking credit for the success of your business no more than I am saying you should take credit for mine. All I am saying is that I am thankful that the two of us have pooled our money in government, because we both get to reap the benefits from it from the host of programs it funds. As I just said to another poster, WE ARE THE GOVERNMENT. Obama merely takes umbrage with the claim by so many business types these days that seem to be dismissing the importance of collective government in creating opportunities for ALL of us.

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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that." [W:417]

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    No, his problem is that he doesn't understand the private sector. Like it or not, they're Americans too.
    Obama has never said that the private sector aren't Americans. Why would you imply that he, or anyone else on this message board, says otherwise?!!

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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that." [W:417]

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    I keep asking that, and no-one seems to be able to answer.

    If govt is responsible for success, why isn't everyone successful?
    No one here ever said that government is responsible for success, and neither did Obama. You have merely misunderstood the principle which is being discussed. He merely said, and I support him, that collective government is IN PART responsible for providing an environment in which businesses(and individuals) can succeed. He starts his speech by making it clear that he objects to the chorus of conservatives who insinuate that government contributes nothing to the ability of a business to succeed and that nobody does anything "all on his or her own". Everything we do we do in the context of the greater society and, as a result, that greater society impacts us, whether we deny it does or not.

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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that." [W:417]

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    he specifically mentioned bridges & roads, but he was talking about all infrastructure and society at large.

    we all did it together.
    Yep building all the successful businesses we did it together, and of course all the failed businesses we did it together. Or is it just the successful one's?
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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that." [W:417]

    Quote Originally Posted by zeusomally View Post
    I can take all of these examples you listed and demonstrate to you how they all benefited from social collectivism.
    Let's take Mark Spitz...where do you think Mark Spitz learned to swim? I'll bet you it was at a publicly paid-for and run pool. No swim pool, no Mark Spitz.
    And how about Apple? Steve Jobs went to a public school. And guess how he got to school everyday? If you guessed public roads, you would be correct. And what about his parents? They were instrumental in his life and education. How did they or others in their lives benefit from government assistance? It's all interconnected my friend. None of us are islands unto ourselves. Community counts. Government counts. Private initiative counts. It's ALL important.
    someones taxes paid for those pools, schools, roads etc. so yes, those people benefitted from someone else's tax money. So what? Does Spitz owe some of his money from endorsements etc to his teachers, the guys who built the pools and roads?? thats just foolish.
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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that." [W:417]

    Quote Originally Posted by Born Free View Post
    Yep building all the successful businesses we did it together, and of course all the failed businesses we did it together. Or is it just the successful one's?
    good question, I guess thats why we taxpayers bailed out GM and Chrysler
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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that." [W:417]

    Quote Originally Posted by zeusomally View Post
    No one here ever said that government is responsible for success, and neither did Obama. You have merely misunderstood the principle which is being discussed. He merely said, and I support him, that collective government is IN PART responsible for providing an environment in which businesses(and individuals) can succeed. He starts his speech by making it clear that he objects to the chorus of conservatives who insinuate that government contributes nothing to the ability of a business to succeed and that nobody does anything "all on his or her own". Everything we do we do in the context of the greater society and, as a result, that greater society impacts us, whether we deny it does or not.
    all join hands and sing along-------------" I'd like to buy the world a coke......" then "cum by yah, cum by yah" then a big finish with " hare krishna,hare krishna" or maybe 'colorado rocky mountain high" let that defective liberal gene run free---------its DRD4 if you would like to look it up.
    "Just get the hell out of my way" John Galt to the government in Atlas Shrugged.

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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that." [W:417]

    Quote Originally Posted by Bobcat View Post
    someones taxes paid for those pools, schools, roads etc. so yes, those people benefitted from someone else's tax money. So what? Does Spitz owe some of his money from endorsements etc to his teachers, the guys who built the pools and roads?? thats just foolish.
    I think he should have to pay taxes on his earnings just like everyone else in society who can afford to do so. That is all. If some of that money should eventually be used by the government to continue funding public swim pools for the next Mark Spitz, then the system has come full cycle and worked just as it should. See, isn't collectivism great!

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