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Thread: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that." [W:417]

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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that." [W:417]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mach View Post
    When did you personally help me with my last tax payment?
    When I bought what ever it is that you produced and was shipped over a road.

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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that." [W:417]

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    When I bought what ever it is that you produced and was shipped over a road.
    without the taxes on that product, you could have bought it for less. So yes, you paid the business' taxes on that product, feel better now?
    "Just get the hell out of my way" John Galt to the government in Atlas Shrugged.

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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that." [W:417]

    Quote Originally Posted by Bobcat View Post
    without the taxes on that product, you could have bought it for less. So yes, you paid the business' taxes on that product, feel better now?
    W/O the taxes it would probably cost more to ship.

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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that." [W:417]

    Quote Originally Posted by Bobcat View Post
    our tax dollars built some roads and bridges. thats true. businesses and successful people pay a disproportionate share of taxes, so under your logic, those who paid the most taxes should own the roads and bridges.
    no, that would be under YOUR failed "logic".

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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that." [W:417]

    Quote Originally Posted by Masada View Post
    So what did "you" do that made my business successful?
    Quote Originally Posted by Mach View Post
    When did you personally help me with my last tax payment?
    you both moved the goalposts a good kilometer.

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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that." [W:417]

    Quote Originally Posted by Bobcat View Post
    well thats wrong too. WE did not create Apple and Microsoft. We did not invent the light bulb. We did not invent the Ford assembly line with Henry Ford. We did not teach Whitney Houston how to sing. We did not teach Mark Spitz how to swim or Pete Sampras how to play tennis, or Micheal Jordan how to shoot a basketball.

    you and obama are spouting flawed socialsit thinking, Thinking that has proven false everywhere it has been tried.
    I can take all of these examples you listed and demonstrate to you how they all benefited from social collectivism.
    Let's take Mark Spitz...where do you think Mark Spitz learned to swim? I'll bet you it was at a publicly paid-for and run pool. No swim pool, no Mark Spitz.
    And how about Apple? Steve Jobs went to a public school. And guess how he got to school everyday? If you guessed public roads, you would be correct. And what about his parents? They were instrumental in his life and education. How did they or others in their lives benefit from government assistance? It's all interconnected my friend. None of us are islands unto ourselves. Community counts. Government counts. Private initiative counts. It's ALL important.

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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that." [W:417]

    Quote Originally Posted by zeusomally View Post
    ...Let's take Mark Spitz...where do you think Mark Spitz learned to swim? I'll bet you it was at a publicly paid-for and run pool. No swim pool, no Mark Spitz.
    And how about Apple? Steve Jobs went to a public school. And guess how he got to school everyday? If you guessed public roads, you would be correct. And what about his parents? They were instrumental in his life and education. How did they or others in their lives benefit from government assistance? It's all interconnected my friend. None of us are islands unto ourselves. Community counts. Government counts. Private initiative counts. It's ALL important.
    yes, it ALL matters.

    unless you are filthy rich and grew up on a fabulous estate with all the stuff you needed right there, your success did indeed somehow get contributed to by society at large.

    the cops, firemen, EMS, road-builders, schools, banks, student loans, etc etc....you got help.

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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that." [W:417]

    Quote Originally Posted by Masada View Post
    Too many people get caught up in the faulty logic that government is "doing" something for us. That's false. They don't do anything for us for free. Obamacare: we're paying for it. Roads: we paid for em. Bridges: we paid for em. Teachers: we pay for em. Firemen: we pay for em. Schools, hospitals, ports, airports, universities: WE PAY FOR EM.

    SO, you people of the left can curse profits all you want. But understand that because of individuals and companies making profits, that the government taxes, we all have these things. Government didn't provide those things for free. We paid for them. But instead, liberals thank Obama and government for "doing" something. Lol....that's a huge joke. But they curse those who actually provide these things. Liberals don't oppose profits unless they belong to someone else.
    WE ARE THE GOVERNMENT. This is what you are missing. Obama isn't speaking of the government as some independent entity. He is merely making the point that we are all interconnected through our participation in government and business and that the two entities need one another. If you read all of his speeches you will see that Obama expressly believes in the importance of individual initiative and free enterprise. But what he was expressing in this speech is his growing frustration with those who don't recognize that government and business need one another and it is incorrect for business people to claim that they don't. He NEVER has claimed that government can, does or should do everything and I don't know why you are interpreting his statement to mean so.

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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that." [W:417]

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    Because far too many on the right are less rational and thoughtful than conservatives like Zyphlin. I think where Zyphlin gets it a bit wrong is in arguing that many progressives "operate under this false notion that conservatism = anarchy and people don't want any government institutions or functions what so ever." in a thread where the post just above his is calling for the total abolition of government agencies. There are unfortunately far too many who call themselves libertarian or conservative who are advocating the destruction of the present American/developed world society due to a delusional belief in some kind of Galtian fantasy world.

    My experience is that a much larger percentage of those who name themselves "Progressive" have a wider comprehension of the world as it is and the history that has created our present society than those who call themselves "Conservative" or "Libertarian". Not true in all cases but one could say "the exceptions prove the rule" for there are those, wherever they lie on the political spectrum, who don't fit in well those around them. Zyphlin as an example at one place on the line with his frequent disagreements with his less rational brethren.

    Yeah, that's great. Now, how about addressing the question.
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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that." [W:417]

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    And you can keep ignoring the second half of his sentence, but it doesn't make it go away -- or do much for your credibility.

    You still splitting sentances and rearranging them?
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