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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that." [W:417]

    Quote Originally Posted by Gonzo Rodeo View Post
    Actually, what Obama was saying was, "You didn't push the rock. A thousand hands did the lifting for you." Which is wrong.
    no, he said we all did it together.

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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that." [W:417]

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    However, just as you decide to read the "I did this all by myself" as an individual being entirely literalistic...it's not difficult to look at Obama's speech and suggest he's not saying people should go "I did this largely through my own efforts, but I must acknowledge that I had the help of others". Rather, it could be suggested Obama is saying you should go "I did this largely due to all the help others have given me and my own working hard or smarts wouldn't have mattered if not for them". Perhaps you could say he was going farther onto one side to counter act the seemingly far off the other side literalistic reading of the amorphous figures you're speaking of, but that doesn't change the notion that he's still attempting to maximize the implied roll of the community while minimizing the importance of the role of the individual.
    Unfortunately, I'm afraid that many individuals in this society are indeed taking a literal "I did this by myself" approach when assessing their own standing in life, whether it be in business or as individuals. I often hear this expressed belief most often in reference to social "welfare" programs that so many conservatives abhor, with the assumption that everyone is given the exact same crack at the big nut and none of us ever need help from others. In the same way that so many business people fail to recognize the complex ways in which collective government has aided them, so many private individuals fail to recognize the complex ways in which the behavior of other entities(both public and private) has shaped them and contributed to their well-being. It's a huge disconnect which demonstrates a fundamental ignorance of history, economics, and sociology. And it is conservatives, not liberals, who are mostly guilty of this disconnect and it is borne out in the rhetoric and policies they are currently promoting...IMHO.

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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that." [W:417]

    However there's people on this forum who aren't suggesting that only those who suggest he literally meant "the individual plays no part in business creation" are the ones that are wrong and are just purposefully misconstruing things to attack the President but rather that ANYONE who isn't directly buying the argument of "he's specifically meaning 'roads and bridges' when he says 'didn't build that'" is doing such a thing.

    Explain to me how the interpritation that Obama is suggesting it is not you, the individual, that "built" the business but rather it is everyone whose actions contributed to what finally led to it's creation (you, being one of multiple parts of that) is inconsistent with the context and doens't make sense.

    If you're not one of those saying the President's peoples explaination of it SPECIFICALLY referencing "roads and bridges" is the only legitimate or reasonable way to interpret it, then there's no issue.

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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that." [W:417]

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    no, he said we all did it together.
    well thats wrong too. WE did not create Apple and Microsoft. We did not invent the light bulb. We did not invent the Ford assembly line with Henry Ford. We did not teach Whitney Houston how to sing. We did not teach Mark Spitz how to swim or Pete Sampras how to play tennis, or Micheal Jordan how to shoot a basketball.

    you and obama are spouting flawed socialsit thinking, Thinking that has proven false everywhere it has been tried.
    "Just get the hell out of my way" John Galt to the government in Atlas Shrugged.

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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that." [W:417]

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    ..If you're not one of those saying the President's peoples explaination of it SPECIFICALLY referencing "roads and bridges" is the only legitimate or reasonable way to interpret it, then there's no issue.
    he specifically mentioned bridges & roads, but he was talking about all infrastructure and society at large.

    we all did it together.

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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that." [W:417]

    Quote Originally Posted by Masada View Post
    Lol....more koolaid?

    The government is so awesome at running a business. I mean, look at how well the post office is doing financially. Take a peek at Amtrak.

    You curse profits, when it's profits that made all of our lifestyles possible. If it weren't for individuals and companies earning profits, government wouldn't exist. You have to remember this: Governments don't do a single thing for free. Government is a service WE PAY FOR.

    So, it's just silly to thank the government. The government isn't responsible for anything. WE PAY FOR GOVERNMENT.

    The philosophy you don't understand is why would I pay the government to do something that I can use my money and do it myself more efficiently? You curse profits, and you curse the fact that profits make your income possible. Profits make it possible for you to eat. Profits make it possible for your employer to purchase your health insurance for you.

    Now tell me, when was the last time government turned a profit on anything? NEVER! The government is only possible because they tax individuals' and company's PROFITS.

    Take your garbage rhetoric to Europe where it started. If it weren't for businesses, how could you have ever earned a salary or wage? Without a salary or wage, how do you pay for anything? Don't answer those. I'm not interested in class envy BS.
    I do not believe that that something has to be immediately profitable in order for it to be valuable(economically and socially) to society. Schools don't make money, but they are valuable to us and contribute tremendously to our economic competitiveness. Neither do roads, but they are at the heart of our economy. The USDA is not-for-profit and helps protect us from food-borne illness. Heck, it costs money to open polling stations and to count ballots, but that is a valuable service to us all. I could list dozens, if not hundreds, of programs that are not profit driven, but that result in stimulating and strengthening our economy and our democracy.
    Also, I hotly contest your assertion that government "isn't responsible for anything". I listed just a handful of them above, but there are hundreds more and they all have an impact, often in a positive way, on the abilities of individuals and businesses to succeed.

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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that." [W:417]

    Too many people get caught up in the faulty logic that government is "doing" something for us. That's false. They don't do anything for us for free. Obamacare: we're paying for it. Roads: we paid for em. Bridges: we paid for em. Teachers: we pay for em. Firemen: we pay for em. Schools, hospitals, ports, airports, universities: WE PAY FOR EM.

    SO, you people of the left can curse profits all you want. But understand that because of individuals and companies making profits, that the government taxes, we all have these things. Government didn't provide those things for free. We paid for them. But instead, liberals thank Obama and government for "doing" something. Lol....that's a huge joke. But they curse those who actually provide these things. Liberals don't oppose profits unless they belong to someone else.

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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that." [W:417]

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    no, he said we all did it together.
    So what did "you" do that made my business successful?

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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that." [W:417]

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    we all did it together.
    When did you personally help me with my last tax payment?

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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that." [W:417]

    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder View Post
    he specifically mentioned bridges & roads, but he was talking about all infrastructure and society at large.

    we all did it together.
    our tax dollars built some roads and bridges. thats true. businesses and successful people pay a disproportionate share of taxes, so under your logic, those who paid the most taxes should own the roads and bridges.
    "Just get the hell out of my way" John Galt to the government in Atlas Shrugged.

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