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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that."

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    without public infrastructure, commerce would exist, but you'd be paying local warlords instead of government, and you'd get a lot less for your money.
    Except that wasn't the way it was before governments really got into the business of building public infrastructure.

    Look, I get it, public works projects like roads, water treatment and processing and all the like, make everything better.
    Let's just not pretend, that they're necessary for commerce and civilization to exist, because in a great many places and in many times, they haven't and society functioned, sans warlords.
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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that."

    Quote Originally Posted by Helix View Post
    without public infrastructure, commerce would exist, but you'd be paying local warlords instead of government, and you'd get a lot less for your money.
    I am not sure it is a good idea to hold up the torch of what we get for our money from the Federal Government.
    The actual infrastructure return on investment is small, most infrastructure is from the local tax base.

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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that."

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Chicken and egg, chicken and egg, chicken and egg.

    Almost every individual effort is shaped in part by environmental conditions which were likely shaped in part due to individual efforts which....on and on.

    As I said to a few friends on email...the funny thing is…he’s right, but he’s wrong as well. The reality is, often, success is a mixture of environment/community and the individual. Sometimes environment almost alone can spur it…sometimes the individual almost on their own can do it, but usually it’s a mix. The difference is…and it’s so interesting reading it because it’s often a great dichotomy between the two parties…is which of those two ingredients do you choose to highlight, promote, and give adulation to and which do you downplay or degrade or write off.

    Obama chooses to highlight and promote the community while devaluing and downplaying the individual. Traditionally, Republicans hype up the individual while downplaying the community. What becomes interesting is which of the two arguments will win over the fickle American people this time around.

    I have a friend, a woman, who came from such dire proverty, I'm not talking no air conditioning proverty, I'm talking no inside bathroom and leaking roof proverty. The house would have been condemed if anyone had found them living in these conditions.

    This lady and all her sisters decided they were not going to go out in the same conditions. She got a job as a drugstore clerk as soon as she could work. Graduated from HS went to work fulltime and college at night. She graduated from college after 10 years of working fulltime and going to school, that she paid for. One of the reasons it took her so long, because she is/was smart, was she worked for the USPS and while working drove her little car under a bus. She was in the hospital for 2 months in traction for multiple breaks in one leg. Took her sometime to get back on her feet, literally. She had to drop out in her senior year due to the bills and injury. She went back to finish 2 years later.

    She started her own accounting business with her friend. She is doing well now due to her hard work. She works from January to April, every year, 7 days a week 12-14 hours a day. She has 5 employees and pays for their HC and a fair wage.

    This lady built her business stick by stick, her own hard work and something "special" in her that drove her to succeed. Without this something "special" in her first, it wouldn't matter what the community or the govt "did", she is the reason that she succeeded.

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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that."

    Quote Originally Posted by Billy the Kid View Post
    I have a friend, a woman, who came from such dire proverty, I'm not talking no air conditioning proverty, I'm talking no inside bathroom and leaking roof proverty. The house would have been condemed if anyone had found them living in these conditions.

    This lady and all her sisters decided they were not going to go out in the same conditions. She got a job as a drugstore clerk as soon as she could work. Graduated from HS went to work fulltime and college at night. She graduated from college after 10 years of working fulltime and going to school, that she paid for. One of the reasons it took her so long, because she is/was smart, was she worked for the USPS and while working drove her little car under a bus. She was in the hospital for 2 months in traction for multiple breaks in one leg. Took her sometime to get back on her feet, literally. She had to drop out in her senior year due to the bills and injury. She went back to finish 2 years later.

    She started her own accounting business with her friend. She is doing well now due to her hard work. She works from January to April, every year, 7 days a week 12-14 hours a day. She has 5 employees and pays for their HC and a fair wage.

    This lady built her business stick by stick, her own hard work and something "special" in her that drove her to succeed. Without this something "special" in her first, it wouldn't matter what the community or the govt "did", she is the reason that she succeeded.
    Sounds hard. Are you really trying to insist that no one has helped this lady get to where she is?
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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that."

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    Sounds hard. Are you really trying to insist that no one has helped this lady get to where she is?
    Better question - how do you see it?

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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that."

    Quote Originally Posted by Billy the Kid View Post
    Better question - how do you see it?
    Sounds like she pulled herself up by her bootstraps, which is great. But of course, the system helps with that. Perhaps she attended a community college for a few years, which makes things much cheaper. Or maybe she received some sort of government subsidy.

    Either way, she navigated the system effectively and improved her life. I think what Obama and liberals want to do is to make it easier - or accessible - for people like her. The idea that any person is successful all on his/her own is ridiculous.
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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that."

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    Sounds like she pulled herself up by her bootstraps, which is great. But of course, the system helps with that. Perhaps she attended a community college for a few years, which makes things much cheaper. Or maybe she received some sort of government subsidy.

    Either way, she navigated the system effectively and improved her life. I think what Obama and liberals want to do is to make it easier - or accessible - for people like her.

    She went to a universtiy and paid her own way through college.

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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that."

    Quote Originally Posted by Billy the Kid View Post
    She went to a universtiy and paid her own way through college.
    Well that wasn't very smart... but congrats to her.
    Ted Cruz is the dumbest person alive.

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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that."

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    Well that wasn't very smart... but congrats to her.
    Why is that not smart?

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    Re: Obama to business owners: "You didn't build that."

    Quote Originally Posted by AdamT View Post
    There's nothing unclear about what he said ...
    This is not the first, nor will it be the last time, that he doesn't speak clearly. Excuse him all you'd like by trying to bash the 'other' side... That is no different than what he does by outspending on attack ads. I hope for the day that you actually generate a thought of your own.
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