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    Re: France's National Front to sue Madonna over Le Pen swastika

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    you can't? Surely, likely depending on how you went about it, you might end up detained, and investigated, but you would never be charged for saying mean things to the man (example, the guy who told Cheney to **** off in New Orleans). Also, this board is private and not a function of the state, so you don't have rights to free speech here
    What someone yelled at Dick Cheney, and what would happen to someone in the example I gave are two different matters. You said yourself; "you might be detained"; thrown in the jug for eight hours is more like it. And with repsect to this board: you missed the point about free speech . . .
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    Re: France's National Front to sue Madonna over Le Pen swastika

    Quote Originally Posted by vendur View Post
    i know, to you it must seem like my IQ is at the genius level, apparently.

    I plainly quoted Hitler saying that nazis were nothing more than marxists, in essence, making them wholly indistinguishable, logically, from communism.

    Crying about the truth that commies and nazis are a bunch of leftist turds in the same toilet bowl of socialism doesn't change the fact they are.

    What's next guys, fingers in your ears? Gonna hold your breath? Please do.
    You can quote anybody you want, however, you should know that not citing a source: (uh, that means the time and place that the quote was made), and providing a context by which the quoter said what he or she said, means that you're just throwing something on the wall to if it sticks: well that won't stick.

    Go ahead, keep playin'. Just keep walkin' around and keep misquoting and BS'n and gettin' all tangled up. I'm gonna jerk on that rope here pretty soon.
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    Re: France's National Front to sue Madonna over Le Pen swastika

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    What someone yelled at Dick Cheney, and what would happen to someone in the example I gave are two different matters. You said yourself; "you might be detained"; thrown in the jug for eight hours is more like it. And with repsect to this board: you missed the point about free speech . . .
    yes, we have very narrow restrictions on free speech. That doesn't mean we approach the matter in the same way as every other state with such restrictions, especially those as expansive as some of the European states. Also, libel and slander are almost impossible to seek damages for, when discussing public figures

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    Re: France's National Front to sue Madonna over Le Pen swastika

    Quote Originally Posted by Infinite Chaos View Post
    I hope the french judges kick the NF's case out -mind you this will be good publicity for Madonna's next concert in Nice.

    This will be an interesting case to follow - I think Madonna will come out best from this and hopefully some who supported the French far-right will be shown up for the scum they are. The French Govt should award Mademoiselle Madonna a Légion d'honneur for this.
    I find this to be yet another reason to dislike Madonna.

    Comparing Populists to Fascists is really quite disgusting. It'd be like comparing Ross Perot to Franco.

    As a Conservative, while I am offended, I don't want to see Madonna get fined. An apology would be appreciated.
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    Re: France's National Front to sue Madonna over Le Pen swastika

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    Well, you can, and can get arrested then get paid:


    Couple Arrested at Bush Rally Settles Lawsuit for $80,000

    Jeff and Nicole Rank went to Bush's Fourth of July speech at the state Capitol wearing homemade T-shirts with a red circle with a bar through it over the word "Bush."

    On the back, hers read "Love America, Hate Bush" and his read "Regime Change Starts At Home."

    When the couple refused to cover up their shirts, they were arrested and charged with trespassing. Those charges were later dropped by the city of Charleston, and city officials later apologized.


    I guess being on public lands at a public event they must've not been standing in their "free speech zone" Bush was giving us back then.
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    Re: France's National Front to sue Madonna over Le Pen swastika

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    yes, we have very narrow restrictions on free speech. That doesn't mean we approach the matter in the same way as every other state with such restrictions, especially those as expansive as some of the European states. Also, libel and slander are almost impossible to seek damages for, when discussing public figures
    Public figures only scratche the surface. When somebody makes up stories about someone else's business for example, the libeler is taken court and often has a judgement rendered against them.

    Ya'know, I don't think it's necessary for the discussion to split hairs on the issue. I don't contradict your points, and mine are really self explanitory. When teh radical right yells about Free Speech they're being hyperbolic at best.

    I'd like for you to elaborate on your point about European states though.
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    Re: France's National Front to sue Madonna over Le Pen swastika

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    Public figures only scratche the surface. When somebody makes up stories about someone else's business for example, the libeler is taken court and often has a judgement rendered against them.
    libel against public figures is considered on separate merits exactly for the reason of how it may effect political speech



    I'd like for you to elaborate on your point about European states though.
    a perfect example would be the hate speech prosecution against Geert Wilders, under hate speech laws. Clearly that would never happen in the states

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    Re: France's National Front to sue Madonna over Le Pen swastika

    Europe simply draws the "shouting fire in a theatre" line in a different place.

    We feel that some views are so repellent and vile they have no place in public discourse.
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    Re: France's National Front to sue Madonna over Le Pen swastika

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    Europe simply draws the "shouting fire in a theatre" line in a different place.

    We feel that some views are so repellent and vile they have no place in public discourse.
    shouting "fire" in a crowded theater demands immediate action by those in the theater, and due to the nature of a fire, there isn't really room to debate if such is true. The same can't really be said of someone comparing islam to Nazism, or spouting theories of secret cabals of Jewish Bankers. Both of which have elements that get hashed out here all the time, and seemingly haven't caused any social harm.
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    Re: France's National Front to sue Madonna over Le Pen swastika

    To answer the questions if Nazis are "left" or "right", you first need to define "left" and "right". That's hard to do, but some models are more helpful and have more explanatory power than others.

    Many Americans, especially on the right, seem to believe the spectrum is just one-dimensional, while "right" means small government and "left" means big government. By that definition, the Nazis were certainly "left". But I believe this model is deficient, cannot explain much if anything at all.

    By all other meaningful models to define "left" or "right", the Nazis were clearly far-right. Pre-enlightened authoritarianism supposing humans don't have equal rights? Check. Rabid nationalism/rah rah patriotism? Check. Militarism? Check. Ethnic chauvinism and anti-Semitism? Check. Rejection of liberal democracy? Check. All of this had traditionally been elements of the monarchist conservative right.

    In 19th century Germany, there was a monarchist authoritarian "big government" right against classic liberalism (along the lines of modern libertarianism) on the left. In Weimar Germany, "small government" was centrist - The monarchist conservatives were just as much "big government" as the far left commies. The "right" had always been traditionally anti-democratic and authoritarian in Germany and the Nazis just took this monarchist conservatism to the extreme.

    The one-dimensional spectrum provides no means to explain political philosophies in Germany until 1945 accurately.

    When American right-wingers try to view the situation in Germany pre-1945 through the glasses of modern day political buzzwords, desperately attempting to smear the "librulz", it makes them look silly.
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