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France's National Front to sue Madonna over Le Pen swastika

Manc Skipper said:
Yet it was the left alone who who volunteered to fight the Nazi/fascist threat in Spain in the International Brigades...

International Brigades - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Leftist canards.

The nazis were 100% leftist.

The end.

The whole commi/nazi being "enemies" only happened because Nazi Germany attacked USSR. Then they went from brothers in arms who were by any real measurement evil twins of each other, to mortal enemies.

So tired of this ignorant publick edjewcayshun canard.
 
vendur said:
Leftist canards.

The nazis were 100% leftist.

The end.

The whole commi/nazi being "enemies" only happened because Nazi Germany attacked USSR. Then they went from brothers in arms who were by any real measurement evil twins of each other, to mortal enemies.

So tired of this ignorant publick edjewcayshun canard.
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Well, if you say so, then it must be true. What other argument can possibly top "the end"?
 
Manc Skipper said:
Yet it was the left alone who who volunteered to fight the Nazi/fascist threat in Spain in the International Brigades...

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You mean the 'Republicans' who burned down churches, murdered clergy, destroyed Christian symbolism, and acted like savages before the Civil War even started?

BTW when people say "militant Atheists", this is what they are talking about. Put them out before they put you out.
 
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vendur said:
Leftist canards.

The nazis were 100% leftist.

The end.

The whole commi/nazi being "enemies" only happened because Nazi Germany attacked USSR. Then they went from brothers in arms who were by any real measurement evil twins of each other, to mortal enemies.

So tired of this ignorant publick edjewcayshun canard.
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The Spanish Civil War, where the International Brigades fought, took place before WW2. Your ignorance betrays you again. Were you homeskuled?
 
vendur said:
Leftist canards.

The nazis were 100% leftist.

The end.

The whole commi/nazi being "enemies" only happened because Nazi Germany attacked USSR. Then they went from brothers in arms who were by any real measurement evil twins of each other, to mortal enemies.

So tired of this ignorant publick edjewcayshun canard.
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Well, here comes that yank on the rope you’ve gotten yourself tangled up in:

Gates To Hell - The Nazi Death Camps KZ Dachau was the first concentration camp established in Nazi Germany - the camp was opened on March 22, 1933. The camp's first inmates were primarily political prisoners, Social Democrats, Communists, trade unionists, habitual criminals, homosexuals, Jehovah's Witnesses, beggars, vagrants, and hawkers.
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TheOrder of the Death’s Head, Heinz Hohne, 1966, Martin Secker & Warburg Ltd. English translation 1969. The order of the death's head: the story of Hitler's SS - Heinz Höhne - Google Books

Pg: 23, para 2: “[h]is secretariat announced: ‘Herr Hitler has no intention of setting up a new defense formation. That he once did was due to the activities of certain gentlemen who left him in a lurch. All he needs today are men to keep order at meetings, as in the days before 1923’.”

Para 4; “In April 1925 he ordered Julius Schreck, who had been a member of the Assault Squad, who was now his chauffeur, to form a new headquarters guard. A fortnight later this headquarters guard was re-christened ‘Schutzstaffel’ (SS)”.

Pg: 25; para 1; “The first success stories began to arrive in Munich. In Dresden SS men had forestalled an attempt by fifty communists to break up a Nazi meeting; from Saxony ‘in the middle palace, Chemnitz, the combined SS of Dresden, Plauen, Zwickau, and Chemnitz gave the communists a fearful beating up throwing some of them out of the windows, since when no communists had dared to disturb our meetings’.”
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Political Prisoners After World War I (1914-1918), nationalist, right-wing political movements in Germany and Austria tended to see the nation in collective terms as a Volksgemeinschaft or national community. Racist nationalists on the extreme right of the political spectrum saw this collective as a voelkische Gemeinschaft, by which they meant a racial group that they considered superior. Adolf Hitler and the Nazis, among other radical right-wing groups, adopted this view of the German nation.

Unlike Western liberals or nationalists, the Nazis did not find value in individuality. For the Nazis, individualism was an egotistic, culture-corroding, Jewish value that would tear apart the fabric of the communal nation. The Nazis insisted that the individual had value only in his or her membership in the collective racial community.

A key Nazi criticism of Weimar democracy in particular and liberal democracy in general was that its emphasis on the individual misled or duped members of a race into relinquishing their “natural” race consciousness. In their campaign to destroy any political or spiritual loyalty other than to the race-nation, the Nazis hoped to “reeducate” the German people to become “conscious” of something that already existed: their racial heritage and the ensuing obligations to maintain the survival of the race.

The Nazis persecuted non-Jewish German opponents, both real and perceived. Whether they were political (Communists, Social Democrats, Democrats), spiritual (Jehovah's Witnesses), or “social” (Homosexuals) opponents -- Nazi racial theory held that they were valuable members of the race. These non-Jewish German opponents needed to understand their racial value and then follow their restored “natural instinct” to do the right thing: accept and internalize the Nazi vision of the world.
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You’re asinine assertions, just like your asinine attempt at revisionist history has been, along with yourself –completely discredited. You just make it up as you go along and you haven’t the slightest idea what you’re talking about. This country’s right-wing kind are as un-American as was Adolf Hitler.

The end.
 
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Matt Foley said:
You mean the 'Republicans' who burned down churches, murdered clergy, destroyed Christian symbolism, and acted like savages before the Civil War even started?

BTW when people say "militant Atheists", this is what they are talking about. Put them out before they put you out.
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Maybe if the church had not shared a bed with the fascists, that would not have happened.
 
jet57 said:
Very very well said. With respect to liberlasim and the right's charge to "big government"; to use the term with that reference assumes that it is true. The Democratic domestic policy has, since 1929, provided fail-safes and safety nets for people in need: the military is such a safety net and was used to help young men in trouble with law. The idea of these protections being "big government", in my view, is just silly right-wing propoganda.

The third Reich (empire) was the very definition of big government. It also, as you stated carrried all the elements of todays US right-wing. What we're dealing with here in the case of vendur et al is simply attempts at revisionist history to draw attention away from today's right-wing tactics and ideology. Both the Third Reich and today's right-wing have far more in common with feudalism and fascism than anything the right may pretend to be. One of the first things Nazism embarked on was finding fault with and being the "victims" of some ubiquitous force outside of their patriotic vision for the country. Anderson Cooper Debunks Michele Bachmann Claims Of 'Muslim Extremist' Infiltration Of US Government (VIDEO) Of course, like Himmler's SS, today's right-wing measures true patriotism through the criteria of blind obedience, patriotic "purity", and recognition with a fervent desire to take care of the problems, be active in flushing out problems of course as defined by the right-wing leadership, to be active in supplanting the government with their own people, and keeping up a military front of which the juggernaught will be a proud part as a measure of his or her patriotism.

Today's corporate feudalism is only stimulated by this distemper with our military playing the part of that bastion of free enterprise in US foreign policy: there being no difference than the Great Plantation of Ulster, or journalist John L O'Sullivan's Manifest Destiny: very much a part of Hitler's design as well.

The right-wing is of course attempting to redesign FDR as well with teh same ridiclous tactics as outlined above by Anderson Cooper.
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Yes... the one-dimensional left(big government)-right(small government) spectrum can not even accurately describe politics in today's America.

What about the religious right or the rah rah patriots and interventionist neo-cons? They are pro "big government", but certainly not "left". And they often disagree with libertarians, who actually are pro "small-government".

I often had the impression the American far-right and their lines of argumentation remind me very much of the Nazis (the authoritarian right, not the libertarians, of course). This entire "if you disagree with us, you are not a patriot", or "questioning war is unpatriotic" or "when you disagree, you side with the enemy". And of course all these abrogations of civil and human rights in the name of fighting a foreign enemy.

But I'm not sure if that's maybe because I'm too sensitive on that topic.
 
Matt Foley said:
Ah so you think it's perfectly OK to burn down churches and kill clergy. Gotcha.
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I find it more telling that you apologize for the fascists who massacred thousands of innocent civilians and established a dictatorship that lasted for decades.
 
German guy said:
Yes... the one-dimensional left(big government)-right(small government) spectrum can not even accurately describe politics in today's America.

What about the religious right or the rah rah patriots and interventionist neo-cons? They are pro "big government", but certainly not "left". And they often disagree with libertarians, who actually are pro "small-government".

I often had the impression the American far-right and their lines of argumentation remind me very much of the Nazis (the authoritarian right, not the libertarians, of course). This entire "if you disagree with us, you are not a patriot", or "questioning war is unpatriotic" or "when you disagree, you side with the enemy". And of course all these abrogations of civil and human rights in the name of fighting a foreign enemy.

But I'm not sure if that's maybe because I'm too sensitive on that topic.
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Well, the religious right is far more "big government" in the sense that they want government to set the laws according to religious theocracy: far more abusive of a person's liberties and private affairs than anything going. The Christian right is always so surprised, and unsuprisngly - has no rebuttal when I inform them that their early Massachusetts compatriots were barred from the first Constitutional conventions the US held for their version of religious expression . . . A talent not lost on today's evangelical who want Mulims destroyed and laws against Sharia law as a mediation device to stop Muslims from usurping the US Constitution.

I think that the whole "big" or "small" government thing is just a silly diversion: not a'one of them who belives in "small government" can give you a sustainable and credible example of what a "small government" would be and how it would function. And while they would cut this program an that program, not a'one of them will step in the way of corporate subsidies: that's a "big government" operation that they like . . . And never mind the Pentagon.

And you are quite right and we have both shown that the nazi régime and the tactics, thinking and practice of America's radical right are ideologically linked and the process of propoganda is so close to the Goebels model, not just in design but in actual practice, that it is truly alarming. This why I'm so hard on right-wing Amerian revisionist history: it relies on the uneducated and uninformed. It builds a generation of individuals and groups [sic] that will actually believe that Franklin Delano Roosevelt operated on a socialist agenda and against the US Constitution. And no, you are not too sensitive to "it": you are informed. You have a command of historical reality; particulalry from the European perspective that is quite capable of overturning the American right-wing machine like a rock!

In the states we say; "the price of freedom is eternal vigilance". Keep going, you're doing great.
 
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I know this has been posted before. This is for the benefit of new members who may not have seen it. It fits nicely with the current conversation.

My political compass

Mine came out a bit further left than the last time. Maybe I've mellowed.

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Dittohead not! said:
I know this has been posted before. This is for the benefit of new members who may not have seen it. It fits nicely with the current conversation.

My political compass

Mine came out a bit further left than the last time. Maybe I've mellowed.

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Mine showed up in the green, four squares from the right, first row below the red.

(I don't know how to post pictures)
 
jet57 said:
Mine showed up in the green, four squares from the right, first row below the red.

(I don't know how to post pictures)
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Find a picture worthy of being shared, right click, choose "copy image location."
Go back to the thread, hit reply, and find the icon that looks like a picture hung on the wall. Click on it.

Click on "from URL" "From computer" works sometimes, but usually not.

Paste the image location in the little box.

Un check the box that says "Retrieve remote file and reference locally" That apparently means "make my picture the size of a postage stamp."

and, voila, the picture appears when you post the reply.

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Dittohead not! said:
Find a picture worthy of being shared, right click, choose "copy image location."
Go back to the thread, hit reply, and find the icon that looks like a picture hung on the wall. Click on it.

Click on "from URL" "From computer" works sometimes, but usually not.

Paste the image location in the little box.

Un check the box that says "Retrieve remote file and reference locally" That apparently means "make my picture the size of a postage stamp."

and, voila, the picture appears when you post the reply.

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Thank you so much
 
Find a picture worthy of being shared, right click, choose "copy image location."
Go back to the thread, hit reply, and find the icon that looks like a picture hung on the wall. Click on it.

Click on "from URL" "From computer" works sometimes, but usually not.

Paste the image location in the little box.

Un check the box that says "Retrieve remote file and reference locally" That apparently means "make my picture the size of a postage stamp."

and, voila, the picture appears when you post the reply.

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Yahh mon
 
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Dittohead not! said:
Find a picture worthy of being shared, right click, choose "copy image location."
Go back to the thread, hit reply, and find the icon that looks like a picture hung on the wall. Click on it.

Click on "from URL" "From computer" works sometimes, but usually not.

Paste the image location in the little box.

Un check the box that says "Retrieve remote file and reference locally" That apparently means "make my picture the size of a postage stamp."

and, voila, the picture appears when you post the reply.
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Now look what you unleashed!
 
I thought this was interesting. It seems Hitler was less far to the right than I thought, though he shares a quadrant with most current politicians, right and supposedly left...

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Hitler scores just above the "N" in Netanyahu
 
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Manc Skipper said:
I thought this was interesting. It seems Hitler was less far to the right than I thought, though he shares a quadrant with most current politicians, right and supposedly left...

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Hitler scores just above the "N" in Netanyahu
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I find it interesting that Romney and Obama both share a quadrant.
 
Mitt is one point to the right of Obama, who is one point to the right of Cameron (The British conservative PM) who is one and a half points (approximately) to the right of Ed Miliband, his allegedly socialist opponent. The greater spread is from Mitt to Ed in authoritarianism. All of them are right of centre and authoritarian.
 
Manc Skipper said:
Mitt is one point to the right of Obama, who is one point to the right of Cameron (The British conservative PM) who is one and a half points (approximately) to the right of Ed Miliband, his allegedly socialist opponent. The greater spread is from Mitt to Ed in authoritarianism. All of them are right of centre and authoritarian.
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Yes, and yet my foolish countrymen seem to think there is a big difference between our two presidential candidates. What a hoot.
 
I'm assuming that chart is more reflective of the individual who compiled it, as opposed to the individuals described in it
 
Then visit the site and educate yourself as to how the positions were allocated, and avoid foolish assumptions
 
Manc Skipper said:
Then visit the site and educate yourself as to how the positions were allocated, and avoid foolish assumptions
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eww, aren't we touchy~!!! But I did look on their website and it didn't see such an explanation readily handy
 
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