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    Re: France's National Front to sue Madonna over Le Pen swastika

    Quote Originally Posted by vendur View Post
    History, IQ over 10, basic logic.
    I'm sorry, bu that won't work. You're going to have to pro e the assertion that the nazi leadership and communist leadership decided that they have something in common.

    I like how you skip the part of nazis/commie leadership agreeing there is no difference between a commie and nazi and that the nazis were, in fact, socialists.
    That is just absurd!
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    Re: France's National Front to sue Madonna over Le Pen swastika

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Just so you know, the Nazis actually prosecuted socialists, social democrats and communists. Their ideology was one of "socialism" in which the individual freedoms (of Aryans) would not be restricted by classes. Furthermore they supported classical right wing ideas like mercantilism and even modern concepts of private ownership as long as they furthered the interests of the Aryan nation.

    As far at this goes:

    National Front (France) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



    National Front (France) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



    Funny that we can't call ducks by their names anymore.
    How is mercantilism a, "classic right wing", idea?

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    Re: France's National Front to sue Madonna over Le Pen swastika

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    I'm sorry, bu that won't work. You're going to have to pro e the assertion that the nazi leadership and communist leadership decided that they have something in common.



    That is just absurd!
    "If the National Socialist Movement should fail to understand the fundamental importance of this essential principle, if it should merely varnish the external appearance of the present State and adopt the majority principle, it would really do nothing more than compete with Marxism on its own ground."

    That's from Hitler himself. The one thing he was referring to was the Aryan element of the nazi party.

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    Re: France's National Front to sue Madonna over Le Pen swastika

    First they came for the communists, then the trade unionists, then the social democrats, then the Jews, then the protestant church ... Note the order.

    "The German political scientist Klaus von Beyme describes three historical phases in the development of far right parties in Western Europe after the World War II.

    From 1945 to the mid-1950s, far right parties were marginalised and their main objective was to survive rather than having any political impact. Far right policy had been discredited by Nazism, and was subsequently politically isolated. From the mid-1950s to the 1970s, the so-called "populist protest phase" emerged with sporadic electoral success. Characteristics of far right parties in this phase included charismatic leaders and a profound dislike of the political establishment, using an "us and them" model; with “us” being the “common man” and “them” being the politicians and bureaucrats. In the 1980s, electoral success of far right parties consolidated, while they used anti-immigration views as a main issue..."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Infinite Chaos View Post
    Doesn't "Godwin's Law" only apply to internet discussion boards?

    In the real world, you are free to call a Nazi "a Nazi."
    No it applies in all types of discourse. Comparing lepen to hitler is no more accurate than comparing melenchon to Stalin. Typical of the celebrity activist.

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    Re: France's National Front to sue Madonna over Le Pen swastika

    Jean-Marie was blatantly anti-semetic and was convicted for holocaust denial. His daughter has somewhat distanced herself from her fathers positions, but its hardly inaccurate to point out theme of Nazi apologism within the party.

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    Re: France's National Front to sue Madonna over Le Pen swastika

    Quote Originally Posted by vendur View Post
    [I]"If the National Socialist Movement should fail to understand the fundamental importance of this essential principle, if it should merely varnish the external appearance of the present State and adopt the majority principle, it would really do nothing more than compete with Marxism on its own ground."

    That's from Hitler himself. The one thing he was referring to was the Aryan element of the nazi party.
    Here is the rest of the quote:

    Mein Kampf - Volume II, Chapter IV

    For that reason it would not have the right to call itself a philosophy of life. If the social programme of the movement consisted in eliminating personality and putting the multitude in its place, then National Socialism would be corrupted with the poison of Marxism, just as our national-bourgeois parties are.
    Here is what is said before that quote:

    And Marxism itself has furnished the proof that it cannot do this. Not only has it been unable anywhere to create a cultural or economic system of its own; but it was not even able to develop, according to its own principles, the civilization and economic system it found ready at hand. It has had to make compromises, by way of a return to the principle of personality, just as it cannot dispense with that principle in its own organization.
    Marxism represents the most striking phase of the Jewish endeavour to eliminate the dominant significance of personality in every sphere of human life and replace it by the numerical power of the masses. In politics the parliamentary form of government is the expression of this effort. We can observe the fatal effects of it everywhere, from the smallest parish council upwards to the highest governing circles of the nation. In the field of economics we see the trade union movement, which does not serve the real interests of the employees but the destructive aims of international Jewry. Just to the same degree in which the principle of personality is excluded from the economic life of the nation, and the influence and activities of the masses substituted in its stead, national economy, which should be for the service and benefit of the community as a whole, will gradually deteriorate in its creative capacity. The shop committees which, instead of caring for the interests of the employees, strive to influence the process of production, serve the same destructive purpose. They damage the general productive system and consequently injure the individual engaged in industry. For in the long run it is impossible to satisfy popular demands merely by high-sounding theoretical phrases. These can be satisfied only by supplying goods to meet the individual needs of daily life and by so doing create the conviction that, through the productive collaboration of its members, the folk community serves the interests of the individual.
    Hahahaha. You seem like a bigger idiot now. Hitler essentially rants about how Marxism is Jewish, evil and counterproductive and then somehow embraces it? Yeah, I don't think so chap.
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    Re: France's National Front to sue Madonna over Le Pen swastika

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    How is mercantilism a, "classic right wing", idea?
    I just showed you how.
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    Re: France's National Front to sue Madonna over Le Pen swastika

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Here is the rest of the quote:

    Mein Kampf - Volume II, Chapter IV



    Here is what is said before that quote:





    Hahahaha. You seem like a bigger idiot now. Hitler essentially rants about how Marxism is Jewish, evil and counterproductive and then somehow embraces it? Yeah, I don't think so chap.
    I'm not sure how i am an idiot by knowing more than you. weird. I get that from libs all the time though. He knows something i don't, he must be steewpid.

    You didn't prove anything at all. The quote i presented was very clear that there is no difference between communism in Nazism save for the volk.

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    Re: France's National Front to sue Madonna over Le Pen swastika

    Quote Originally Posted by vendur View Post
    I'm not sure how i am an idiot by knowing more than you. weird. I get that from libs all the time though. He knows something i don't, he must be steewpid.

    You didn't prove anything at all. The quote i presented was very clear that there is no difference between communism in Nazism save for the volk.
    Actually what you proved is that you have zero reading comprehension. When Hitler says he's talking about "the same ground" he's talking in regards to the State as competing ideologies. Not that Nazism and Marxism are the same. The entire document actually disproves your ridiculous claim.
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