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    Re: France's National Front to sue Madonna over Le Pen swastika

    Quote Originally Posted by German guy View Post
    Yes... the one-dimensional left(big government)-right(small government) spectrum can not even accurately describe politics in today's America.

    What about the religious right or the rah rah patriots and interventionist neo-cons? They are pro "big government", but certainly not "left". And they often disagree with libertarians, who actually are pro "small-government".

    I often had the impression the American far-right and their lines of argumentation remind me very much of the Nazis (the authoritarian right, not the libertarians, of course). This entire "if you disagree with us, you are not a patriot", or "questioning war is unpatriotic" or "when you disagree, you side with the enemy". And of course all these abrogations of civil and human rights in the name of fighting a foreign enemy.

    But I'm not sure if that's maybe because I'm too sensitive on that topic.
    Well, the religious right is far more "big government" in the sense that they want government to set the laws according to religious theocracy: far more abusive of a person's liberties and private affairs than anything going. The Christian right is always so surprised, and unsuprisngly - has no rebuttal when I inform them that their early Massachusetts compatriots were barred from the first Constitutional conventions the US held for their version of religious expression . . . A talent not lost on today's evangelical who want Mulims destroyed and laws against Sharia law as a mediation device to stop Muslims from usurping the US Constitution.

    I think that the whole "big" or "small" government thing is just a silly diversion: not a'one of them who belives in "small government" can give you a sustainable and credible example of what a "small government" would be and how it would function. And while they would cut this program an that program, not a'one of them will step in the way of corporate subsidies: that's a "big government" operation that they like . . . And never mind the Pentagon.

    And you are quite right and we have both shown that the nazi régime and the tactics, thinking and practice of America's radical right are ideologically linked and the process of propoganda is so close to the Goebels model, not just in design but in actual practice, that it is truly alarming. This why I'm so hard on right-wing Amerian revisionist history: it relies on the uneducated and uninformed. It builds a generation of individuals and groups [sic] that will actually believe that Franklin Delano Roosevelt operated on a socialist agenda and against the US Constitution. And no, you are not too sensitive to "it": you are informed. You have a command of historical reality; particulalry from the European perspective that is quite capable of overturning the American right-wing machine like a rock!

    In the states we say; "the price of freedom is eternal vigilance". Keep going, you're doing great.
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    Re: France's National Front to sue Madonna over Le Pen swastika

    I know this has been posted before. This is for the benefit of new members who may not have seen it. It fits nicely with the current conversation.

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    Re: France's National Front to sue Madonna over Le Pen swastika

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    I know this has been posted before. This is for the benefit of new members who may not have seen it. It fits nicely with the current conversation.

    My political compass


    Mine came out a bit further left than the last time. Maybe I've mellowed.

    Mine showed up in the green, four squares from the right, first row below the red.

    (I don't know how to post pictures)
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    Re: France's National Front to sue Madonna over Le Pen swastika

    Quote Originally Posted by jet57 View Post
    Mine showed up in the green, four squares from the right, first row below the red.

    (I don't know how to post pictures)
    Find a picture worthy of being shared, right click, choose "copy image location."
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    Re: France's National Front to sue Madonna over Le Pen swastika

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    Re: France's National Front to sue Madonna over Le Pen swastika

    Find a picture worthy of being shared, right click, choose "copy image location."
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    Re: France's National Front to sue Madonna over Le Pen swastika

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Find a picture worthy of being shared, right click, choose "copy image location."
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    and, voila, the picture appears when you post the reply.
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    Re: France's National Front to sue Madonna over Le Pen swastika

    I thought this was interesting. It seems Hitler was less far to the right than I thought, though he shares a quadrant with most current politicians, right and supposedly left...



    Hitler scores just above the "N" in Netanyahu
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    Re: France's National Front to sue Madonna over Le Pen swastika

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    I thought this was interesting. It seems Hitler was less far to the right than I thought, though he shares a quadrant with most current politicians, right and supposedly left...



    Hitler scores just above the "N" in Netanyahu
    I find it interesting that Romney and Obama both share a quadrant.
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    Re: France's National Front to sue Madonna over Le Pen swastika

    Mitt is one point to the right of Obama, who is one point to the right of Cameron (The British conservative PM) who is one and a half points (approximately) to the right of Ed Miliband, his allegedly socialist opponent. The greater spread is from Mitt to Ed in authoritarianism. All of them are right of centre and authoritarian.
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