• This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every person's position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!

U.S. Concerned as Syria Moves Chemical Stockpile

TheDemSocialist said:
Yes much of its pretty destroyed already.
Click to expand...

I think that's an over-estimation.



Any proof that he is actually thinking this way?
Click to expand...

Any proof that he's not? No, there isn't and therein lies my point.



Im not saying there is no way it could happen im saying there is no proof that anyone is planning such a thing
Click to expand...

The old saying, "prepare for the worst and hope for the best", comes to mind right now.


Yes. But it wasnt just out of the blue. There was evidence.
Click to expand...

What evidence?
 
Thunder said:
its a photo of a casket.

there is nothing wrong with using that photo.
Click to expand...

It's the photo of caskets of dead American service members. Very offensive to use that in a post as debate ammo. Most folks here--Demsocialist being one of them IMO--are smart enough to get the point across without using such photography.
 
apdst said:
I think that's an over-estimation.
Click to expand...
Parts of cities and whole cities are in ruins





Any proof that he's not? No, there isn't and therein lies my point.
Click to expand...
There is no proof that he is. So basically you are saying, "I have no proof that he is doing what i say he is doing, but you cant prove he isnt".




The old saying, "prepare for the worst and hope for the best", comes to mind right now.
Click to expand...
Syria will not be a threat.


What evidence?
Click to expand...
Isolated clashes along the border
Massacre of Vietnamese minorities in Cambodia(Kampuchea)
Cambodia(Kampuchea) calling to invade Vietnam and invade Vietnam
The Cambodia occupation of Tho Chau
Kampuchea being supported by China and Vietnam be supported by USSR (dates back to sino soveit conflict)
The failing of diplomacy
Kampuchea falling out with Vietnam
 
apdst said:
You're smart enough to get the point across without using that photo.
Click to expand...

Apparently im not with statements like "Hell yea we need to invade and kick those asses that deserve it!"
 
apdst said:
From a political standpoimt we should at least wait until they employ chemical weapons before intervening.

Also, we should be ready to deal with Iran if we do go into Syria.
Click to expand...

I think we should tell Russia it is thier job to go in and clean this mess up.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
Parts of cities and whole cities are in ruins






There is no proof that he is. So basically you are saying, "I have no proof that he is doing what i say he is doing, but you cant prove he isnt".





Syria will not be a threat.



Isolated clashes along the border
Massacre of Vietnamese minorities in Cambodia(Kampuchea)
Cambodia(Kampuchea) calling to invade Vietnam and invade Vietnam
The Cambodia occupation of Tho Chau
Kampuchea being supported by China and Vietnam be supported by USSR (dates back to sino soveit conflict)
The failing of diplomacy
Kampuchea falling out with Vietnam
Click to expand...

That doesn't effect the ability of the army to deploy.
 
GPS_Flex said:
I think we should tell Russia it is thier job to go in and clean this mess up.
Click to expand...

That would be a really dumb idea. They won't clean up the mess. They will make Syria a satellite state.
 
apdst said:
You're right; some people never learn. I still get respinses to my posts that address what I didn't say vice what I did say.
Click to expand...

For one, I am not now nor have I ever accused you of this... but if I catch you (or anyone responding affirmatively to this) telling us that the deficit is of paramount importance... well, lets say there will be some serious cross-linking in your (their) future....

Allow me to salute your issue consistency, while restated my view that overtly meddling in the affairs of Syria or Iran are each very bad ideas. The operative word here is overtly (military action). I do encourage the US to influence events in this region in other ways.
 
Last edited:
upsideguy said:
For one, I am not now nor have I ever accused you of this... but if I catch you (or anyone responding affirmatively to this) telling us that the deficit is of paramount importance... well, lets say there will be some serious cross-linking in your (their) future....
Click to expand...

Again, address comments that I've actually made. I never suggested that we should send forces to Syria. In fact, I agree that we don't need to send forces to Syria.
 
GPS_Flex said:
I think we should tell Russia it is thier job to go in and clean this mess up.
Click to expand...

You think we should give control of an oil producing nation in the middle east to the Russkies??? Are you crazy?
 
podcastimage_166708.gif

hillary-nazi.jpg
 
johnny_rebson said:
You think we should give control of an oil producing nation in the middle east to the Russkies??? Are you crazy?
Click to expand...

They already have bases there and Syria is already a Russian puppet nation, so what changes, other than the Russians bear the expense in blood and treasure for a change?
 
I would not be surprised if Assad used chemical weapons on opposition strongholds. He's not shown any concern about indescriminately bombing and slaughtering civilians. He's not likely to be concerned about a mass extinction event, particularly not when Saddam Hussein had repeatedly used chemical weapons on his own people with no international interference as a result.

If Assad follows suit, I suspect the international community will condemn hell out of it, then do nothing... just like with Iraq.
 
In my opinion the the best solution to the problem with Syria would be ... let Assad go and at the same time avoid the tragedy of having another "Islamic Spring" in that poor country.

But of course that seems remote... so sadly .... the bloodshed will continue.
 
Kane said:
podcastimage_166708.gif

hillary-nazi.jpg
Click to expand...

Moderator's Warning:
Knock off the trolling. And for everyone else, cease addressing personal issues and get back to the topic.
 
It seems like nothing happens by mistake. The mandate for the UN mission in Syria expires at the end of the week. The US is proposing a 10 day limit for a cease fire which will result in sanctions against Syria if not adhered to. Russia and China are expected to veto this. "Should the sanctions proposal fail, the United States should allow the U.N. mission to expire. That would end what has been an counterproductive charade of diplomatic activity at the Security Council and open the way for more effective Western action, such as greater support for the Free Syrian Army and for safe zones for civilians."
 
I'll copy what I posted in the ME forum:


From the WINEP release: "The regime's CW infrastructure has been well established for years, and sudden movement within it suggests a major decision may be in the making. After all, the very act of moving them puts them at risk."

The possible scenarios listed in their release and in a few articles basically are the following:

1. The government is convinced that Western governments have begun mapping their chemical weapons facilities as preparation for a future campaign should it arrive.

2. The FSA has come dangerously close to hitting caches and the government wants to move and centralize them.

3. They plan on using them either in a limited capacity as a means of inflicting terror, and scaring outside actors considering intervention or ratcheting up military support to the rebels.

I have no way of knowing what the calculus looks like to Assad or his coterie of Generals and family members even if to me usage seems suicidally counterproductive. They might very well gamble that a limited use, along the lines of the small massacres they've been committing, would both terrify the opposition and remind international actors that a chemical counterstroke on Turkish or Israeli targets is possible, and so is battlefield use. Some rumors from years back, backed up by some intelligence reports indicated that some stockpiles had been seconded to Hezbollah but stored in Syria, and some have speculated that some munitions could be transferred to the group. Though their ability to utilize it properly would seem small.
 
I hope Obama gets that Declaration of War before he goes after those WMDs. :lol:
 
Last edited:
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top Bottom