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Republicans accuse HHS of gutting welfare reform with quiet policy change

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Daktoria said:
Before, it used to be religious elders who'd graduate people through a rite of passage.

Today's society is more advanced, so I'd say we need a council of philosophers from our leading universities. They should cooperate with our schools to make sure people are learning the social values required to behave as mature adults.

There would be two levels of maturity. Level 1 would be people who are mature enough to simply be adults themselves.

Level 2 would be people who are mature enough to not just be adults, but teach the next generation to be adults in conjunction with the school system.
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In which nation do they operate this way?
 
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UtahBill said:
In this lifestyle you speak of, where we don't need work, who plants the crops, keeps out the weeds and bugs, harvests the crops, transport the foods to the stores, so people can eat? Last I heard, the Little Red Hen went out on strike...
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No, no, no. You're getting work confused with results.

Of course people need results, but pursuing results in themselves makes people no more important than robots in a factory.

The point is to be process-oriented, not results-oriented, where the MEANS justify the ENDS, not the other way around. It's the decision making process which makes our lives meaningful. We CHOOSE how things get done in order to identify our lives with style and flavor.
 
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haymarket said:
In which nation do they operate this way?
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If people always looked backwards for examples, civilization would have never gotten off the ground. We'd be stuck in anarchy.
 
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Daktoria said:
Schumpeter, Kant, Russell Kirk, Bastiat, Tocqueville, Max Weber...

...I read more than I can remember, heh.
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or understand....
last thing I want is religious leaders, or philosophers, or govt leaders dictating to the masses how things should be...
Mankind has progressed sporadically, yes, but in the long run, we are better off than we were 100 years ago.
What you are professing is for us to be mostly dumb sheep led by a bunch of elitest sheep herders.
Welcome to the world of peasantry...
 
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haymarket said:
Perhaps you can tell us why the rich need to get handouts when they are rich?
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Return On Investment, senators and Representatives aren't cheap, you know. They are tempermental, they won't STAY bought, you have to keep bribing them over and over. Did I say bribing? yes, I guess I did....
 
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Daktoria said:
If people always looked backwards for examples, civilization would have never gotten off the ground. We'd be stuck in anarchy.
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So that is your way of saying NOBODY DOES. :roll:
 
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Daktoria said:
If people always looked backwards for examples, civilization would have never gotten off the ground. We'd be stuck in anarchy.
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so we let history repeat itself? there is a point in looking back, to learn from the mistakes of others....
 
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jimbo said:
"Unemployment insurance is insurance."

That statement is only true" to a point. Unemployment is a contract between the worker, employee, and the state, and is finite. Typically the period is 26 weeks, although it can vary state by state. Currently, when the contractual insurance expires, the extensions kick in, which have nothing to do with the original contract premiums. After the 26 weeks, it then becomes just another welfare program.
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Actually, in this case it has become a stimulus program.....
 
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Daktoria said:
If people always looked backwards for examples, civilization would have never gotten off the ground. We'd be stuck in anarchy.
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Winston Churchill:
".....Those that fail to learn from history, are doomed to repeat it...."


George Santayana:


"....Progress, far from consisting in change, depends on retentiveness. When change is absolute there remains no being to improve and no direction is set for possible improvement: and when experience is not retained, as among savages, infancy is perpetual. Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.....

Its great to move forward, but if you have not moved forward based upon a foundation of the past, you are instead merely reinventing the mistakes of the past.
 
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upsideguy said:
Winston Churchill:
".....Those that fail to learn from history, are doomed to repeat it...."


George Santayana:


"....Progress, far from consisting in change, depends on retentiveness. When change is absolute there remains no being to improve and no direction is set for possible improvement: and when experience is not retained, as among savages, infancy is perpetual. Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.....

Its great to move forward, but if you have not moved forward based upon a foundation of the past, you are instead merely reinventing the mistakes of the past.
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and think of this....TODAY we have the technology to make our mistakes bigger, faster, and more damaging :shock:
 
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MaggieD said:
I've thought this for years. What's the saying?
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It also works with government contracts, subsidies, tax exemptions, tax credits... Plenty of things Republicans like to dole out to their constituents as well.
 
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UtahBill said:
take out the word MAKE, type in the word ALLOW.....that adds DIGNITY to welfare and unemployment....
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If we're going to do this, why not just hire this people outright to do the jobs of community service? Such as road clean up, activity programs with the elderly, working in after-school programs, etc?

If we're going to give them welfare to do community service why not do it right and hire them to it instead?
 
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UtahBill said:
We should probably only allow educated, successful, and good looking people to have children....:roll:
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I'm all for requiring licenses to people before they're allowed to raise a child.
 
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UtahBill said:
or understand....
last thing I want is religious leaders, or philosophers, or govt leaders dictating to the masses how things should be...
Mankind has progressed sporadically, yes, but in the long run, we are better off than we were 100 years ago.
What you are professing is for us to be mostly dumb sheep led by a bunch of elitest sheep herders.
Welcome to the world of peasantry...
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You really don't see a difference between religion and philosophy?

One is illogical. The other is not.
 
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UtahBill said:
so we let history repeat itself? there is a point in looking back, to learn from the mistakes of others....
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If we always try to learn from the mistakes of others, then we're cowards who never pioneer anything.

Society and economy always stagnate under that proscription. You're always depending on others experimenting for you instead of experimenting for yourself.

The system makes logical sense. Literally, you're depending on logic experts to define right and wrong.

I don't know why you're comparing it to religion. We're not talking about sublime ceremony, mystery, or scripture here. We're talking about understanding deductive judgment.

The problem in the job market is when people decide to apply pragmatic induction instead. That always leads to incomplete solutions because you're assuming past performance guarantees future results.
 
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Daktoria said:
You really don't see a difference between religion and philosophy?

One is illogical. The other is not.
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either can be abused....to the detriment of the public...
 
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UtahBill said:
either can be abused....to the detriment of the public...
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You're claiming reason is against the public interest?

Don't get me wrong, I don't support postmodernism in the slightest, but the problem with postmodernism is it's inductive. That's not reliable philosophy.
 
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Daktoria said:
You're claiming reason is against the public interest?

Don't get me wrong, I don't support postmodernism in the slightest, but the problem with postmodernism is it's inductive. That's not reliable philosophy.
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my statement was clear, either can be abused.

You think people can be controlled using your methods....I say you can only control a few, you will have to kill the rest before they kill you...
 
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UtahBill said:
my statement was clear, either can be abused.

You think people can be controlled using your methods....I say you can only control a few, you will have to kill the rest before they kill you...
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What?

I don't think about controlling people at all. The point is to have people controlling themselves by appreciating reason and using their own methods.

Killing people is out of the question.
 
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haymarket said:
Perhaps you can tell us why the rich need to get handouts when they are rich?
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Because they paid for them, no different when you go to the store and pay for an apple, you want to leave with it, you paid for it. Why would you ever want to go to a store and pay $200 for groceries and then leave them there? :doh
 
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Born Free said:
Because they paid for them, no different when you go to the store and pay for an apple, you want to leave with it, you paid for it. Why would you ever want to go to a store and pay $200 for groceries and then leave them there? :doh
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something you pay for, and pay a fair price, is not a handout, it is a legal purchase....
Handouts for the rich are in the form of tax laws written by congress to benefit those who are rich AND greedy...
Rich is OK, if you earned it....greedy is never OK...
 
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